W90VP IS HERE! W90VP-A1 Review & Benchmark Thread

[Justin@XoticPC]

We are pleased our W90VP-A1 Review unit has arrived. We will be updating this original post throughout the day as we complete more testing and benchmarks. If you have any special requests please post them and we will do our best to complete them for you! :D

Stock Speed on the Q9000 Quad is 2.0GHz w/ 1066MHz FSB. With a 15% OC with Turbo Gear we reached 2.29GHz w/ 1221MHz FSB. :)

System Specification - Vista

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/W90/System%20Specifications.jpg

Direct X Info:

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/W90/DirectX%20Display.jpg

Device Manager:

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/W90/Device%20Manager.jpg

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/W90/Device%20Manager%201.jpg

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/W90/Device%20Manager%202.jpg

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/W90/Device%20Manager%203.jpg

Vista WEI Score - STOCK

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/W90/WEI%20stock%20score.jpg

Vista WEI Score w/ 15% OC

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/W90/weioc.jpg

W90VP CPUZ Stock:

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/W90/stktg.jpg

W90VP Turbo Gear Menu

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/W90/stkocmenu.jpg

W90VP CPUZ with 15% OverClock

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/W90/oc15.jpg

W90VP GPUZ

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/W90/gpuz.jpg

3D Mark scores were run 3 loops and average score is recorded.

3D Mark 06 Stock Score

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/W90/3DMark06-stock.jpg

3D Mark 06 Score w/ 15% OC

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/W90/3DMark06-overclocked15.jpg

3D Mark Vantage

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/W90/3dmv.jpg

HD Tune

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/W90/HD-Tune-Pro.jpg

HW Monitor

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/W90/HWMonitor.jpg

Crysis Bench Stock Settings

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/W90/Crysis-Stock-Settings1.jpg

Crysis Bench w/ 15% OC

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/W90/crysisoc15.jpg

ATI OD

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/W90/atiod.jpg

New System configured with Dual 80GB Intel X25-M SSD's and Intel QX9300 (OC options for 3% or 5%)

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/W90/stockqx9300.jpg

W90VP CPUZ with 5% OverClock w/ QX9300

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/W90/qx9300OC.jpg

3D Mark06 with 5% OC on QX9300

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/W90/3DMARK060C.jpg

[gothicaleigh]

:notworthy


Will it be safe to consistently run it at 17%? I understand that the battery life will take a hit, but what does that do to the temps?

I can not wait for mine to arrive. :D

[Justin_W@XoticPC]

You can choose to overclock it in increments of 3%, 5%, 10% and 15%. The highest overclock setting allowed through Turbo gear is 15%. You wouldn't have access to overclock it to 17%. We will be testing battery life today as well and will post the results later today.

[Justin_W@XoticPC]

Just confirmed that you cannot overclock the notebook while it's running on battery life, as the overclock option will be grayed out. You will need to be running on AC power in order to overclock. :(

[gothicaleigh]

Just confirmed that you cannot overclock the notebook while it's running on battery life, as the overclock option will be grayed out. You will need to be running on AC power in order to overclock. :(

That works for me. At 18.4" I don't think these will stray too far from a desk anyway. :D

It's a godsend for those of us that need to move something with desktop power between work and home though (right now I'm loading a tower into my car's trunk everyday). :p

You can choose to overclock it in increments of 3%, 5%, 10% and 15%. The highest overclock setting allowed through Turbo gear is 15%. You wouldn't have access to overclock it to 17%.

Whoops. Yeah, I should have said 15%. Let us know how warm it runs at that clock. Thanks! :)

[GABLIEV]

Just confirmed that you cannot overclock the notebook while it's running on battery life, as the overclock option will be grayed out. You will need to be running on AC power in order to overclock. :(

Hello Justin

How about QX9300 performance in this model

I'm quite interested on the OC function on the QX9300 and how well it worked with this model??

And Is there any further information about the Multiplier ?? Can we adjust it with the bios??

Furthermore~ Does it support the ddr2-800 SODIMM 4G for dual channal(8G)??

[Justin_W@XoticPC]

Whoops. Yeah, I should have said 15%. Let us know how warm it runs at that clock. Thanks! :)

We will update a screenshot of the HW Monitor program later this afternoon. Running 3DMark 06 and Crysis Benchmarks right now. :)

[ShadowLight]

We will update a screenshot of the HW Monitor program later this afternoon. Running 3DMark 06 and Crysis Benchmarks right now. :)
Nice! I was just about to ask when you were doing Crysis benches!
*waits somewhat patiently*

[Justin_W@XoticPC]

Hello Justin

How about QX9300 performance in this model

I'm quite interested on the OC function on the QX9300 and how well it worked with this model??

And Is there any further information about the Multiplier ?? Can we adjust it with the bios??

Furthermore~ Does it support the ddr2-800 SODIMM 4G for dual channal(8G)??

Unfortunately we don't have a used QX9300 processor laying around so we won't be able to run tests on that CPU. We will have a few in stock next week and will test it at that time. :)

There are no multiplier options in the BIOS with the Q9000 CPU. You can still overclock the CPU through the Turbo Gear software in windows. Also, in the BIOS you do have the ability to disable one display card. This may be convenient if you're looking to save battery life and not playing games. Furthermore, there is RAID support in the BIOS so you as an end user can setup the two hard drives in a raid configuration.

The memory in this notebook is "6 GB DDR2 800 MHz SDRAM (2G x3) 3 Internal SODIMM Slots." You may be able to install two 4gb modules, but we haven't tested this yet.

[shiva.nf]

Looks impressive. Will there be an option to have a t9600 CPU instead of a q9000 quad?

[Justin_W@XoticPC]

Additional CPU options have been added to our configuration menu :)

[ShadowLight]

Hmmm... The review of the W90Vp-X1 says it gets ~13,000 stock, no OCing - so the quad loses about 1,500 3dmarks over the T9600? Too bad it's not quite as high...
However, a quad does seem like it'd go out of date a little slower. That, and once they start coming out with more quad-ready apps, the dual would seem soooo slllooowwww.....
Overall, this looks like the best laptop out there, at least for less than $2,500. I look forward to the Crysis benchmark!

EDIT: Nice timing!
The <30FPS does seem a bit disappointing - is that on stock or using Turbogear?

[Quadzilla]

This machine should be able to handle crysis at all high settings no problem Hopefully new sets of drivers and a heft OC will prove it .

[shiva.nf]

Oh OH!! The addition of a t9550 c2d instead of the stock quad core makes the price jump by around 400$ :(. A similar configuration in newegg (W90 VP-X1) without the blue ray player can be got for around 2200$. Any particular reason for this difference in price?

[GABLIEV]

Unfortunately we don't have a used QX9300 processor laying around so we won't be able to run tests on that CPU. We will have a few in stock next week and will test it at that time. :)

There are no multiplier options in the BIOS with the Q9000 CPU. You can still overclock the CPU through the Turbo Gear software in windows. Also, in the BIOS you do have the ability to disable one display card. This may be convenient if you're looking to save battery life and not playing games. Furthermore, there is RAID support in the BIOS so you as an end user can setup the two hard drives in a raid configuration.

The memory in this notebook is "6 GB DDR2 800 MHz SDRAM (2G x3) 3 Internal SODIMM Slots." You may be able to install two 4gb modules, but we haven't tested this yet.

Thank you Justin

I'm really interested in this one.....but the Q9000 is not enough to feed the 4870X2

I need a better evident that persuade me W90vp with QX9300 can provide me the best in the asus

here is the Data from China which equiped with Q9200 & oc ocscore

[Quadzilla]

Oh OH!! The addition of a t9550 c2d instead of the stock quad core makes the price jump by around 400$ :(. A similar configuration in newegg (W90 VP-X1) without the blue ray player can be got for around 2200$. Any particular reason for this difference in price?


The reason the price jumps up $400 for the t9550 is because your basically just paying retail for the chip as these are not barebone machines where you would start at one point in price for processors and move up accordingly .So in essence your paying for the whole machine with the Q9000 and then paying for a separate processor as well and the fact that Xotic will warranty the product for you because of the upgrade , if there is a problem it will be handled on xotics end from what i gather, which is pretty swell .if you swapped your own into the machine you would essentially void the asus warranty . I think this was the only logical solution for people that wanted a faster processor and also to retain there warranty .

This is all speculation but the pricing is telling me this must be why it is the way it is.

[E-wrecked]

Hmm.. impressive for a quad-core P7350 :P

With the QX9300, or even a Q9100 it should perform much better. Those ATI cards are VERY CPU reliant. the Q9000 is kinda like a Honda Civic vs. the QX9300 which is a Lambo. Yes, there is that drastic of a difference. Anyhow, we look forward to more Justin!

Few requests: Can you post a shot of the BIOS options? What version is the BIOS? Which driver is being supplied for the GPUs? And the GPU BIOS version as reported by GPU-z?

Can you bench DMC4, and 3dMark Vantage Performance Mode(1280x1024 and 1920.1280 Vantage)?

Hmm.. Oh, "Will it Blend?!" Kidding, but I'd be curious.

Thanks ma'an!

[mbaroud]

I cant wait to get mine next week:laugh:

Preordered this a month ago.....paid in cash for it to get the extra discount :p

[Justin_W@XoticPC]

EDIT: Nice timing!
The <30FPS does seem a bit disappointing - is that on stock or using Turbogear?

The 3DMark 06 and Crysis benchmarks were all completed using the stock settings. We will overclock the CPU tomorrow and begins benchmarking these programs again.


The reason the price jumps up $400 for the t9550 is because your basically just paying retail for the chip as these are not barebone machines where you would start at one point in price for processors and move up accordingly .So in essence your paying for the whole machine with the Q9000 and then paying for a separate processor as well and the fact that Xotic will warranty the product for you because of the upgrade , if there is a problem it will be handled on xotics end from what i gather, which is pretty swell .if you swapped your own into the machine you would essentially void the asus warranty . I think this was the only logical solution for people that wanted a faster processor and also to retain there warranty .

This is all speculation but the pricing is telling me this must be why it is the way it is.

BTW, Quadzilla you do have the correct understanding in your statement. :)

[Justin_W@XoticPC]

Hmm.. impressive for a quad-core P7350 :P

With the QX9300, or even a Q9100 it should perform much better. Those ATI cards are VERY CPU reliant. the Q9000 is kinda like a Honda Civic vs. the QX9300 which is a Lambo. Yes, there is that drastic of a difference. Anyhow, we look forward to more Justin!

Few requests: Can you post a shot of the BIOS options? What version is the BIOS? Which driver is being supplied for the GPUs? And the GPU BIOS version as reported by GPU-z?

Can you bench DMC4, and 3dMark Vantage Performance Mode(1280x1024 and 1920.1280 Vantage)?

Hmm.. Oh, "Will it Blend?!" Kidding, but I'd be curious.

Thanks ma'an!

I looked at that CPU-z screenshot too and said "What the heck, why does it say P7350?" but then looked below that and it says Q9000.

As for your requests, I'll see what i can do tomorrow. :)

[mbaroud]

Justin, quick question. Does the A1 have the TV tuner option?

[Justin_W@XoticPC]

There is an antenna port on the back right side of the notebook, but it's covered with a rubber covering. Unfortunately there isn't an internal TV Tuner inside the notebook.

Running overclocked Crysis benchmarks now :)

[mbaroud]

I hope i can purchase the card and antenna separetly later on and install this:(
I currently own the Volar Max, but its always nicer not to be hauling soooo much stuff arround.

Looking forward to those Benchmarks Justin!!:D

[Justin@XoticPC]

More images posted. WEI OC, Crysis OC, ATI OD, GPUz. We are now getting ready to try E-Wrecked's modded drivers.

[shiva.nf]

Justin, do you have the min and max fps apart from the average fps for Crysis? Also, how do you compare GTX 280M with HD 4870 X2? I couldn't see any real benchmarks.

[E-wrecked]

For whatever reason I can't see the Gpu-z screenshot. It's not opening for me.. Oh, and did you take one with turbo on and one off? Is there any clock variations?

[wwoods]

Just ordered one myself here, we still looking at delivery next week ?

[Justin_W@XoticPC]

For whatever reason I can't see the Gpu-z screenshot. It's not opening for me.. Oh, and did you take one with turbo on and one off? Is there any clock variations?

The Asus Turbo Gear software will only overclock the CPU. It doesn't affect the GPU speeds at all :(

[Justin_W@XoticPC]

Just ordered one myself here, we still looking at delivery next week ?

We are expecting a shipment towards the first part of next week. If you have an order with Xotic PC for the Asus W90, then we will email you once your order is sent into production and also once the order ships :)

[Justin_W@XoticPC]

Justin, do you have the min and max fps apart from the average fps for Crysis? Also, how do you compare GTX 280M with HD 4870 X2? I couldn't see any real benchmarks.

What resolution/game settings in Crysis would you like to see the min and max FPS at?

You can view a video card comparison chart here (http://www.xoticpc.com/integrated-dedicated-video-turbo-cache-explained-a-6.html)

[shiva.nf]

Both at 1920x1080 as well as 1650 resolution for both High and MEdium

[Justin_W@XoticPC]

Both at 1920x1080 as well as 1650 resolution for both High and MEdium

I'll see if i can get those tests run for you today as well. I'm currently in the process of downloading/running 3DMark Vantage.

[mbaroud]

Hey Justin....Could you please post some pics of the back pack??
I am interested to see this item....i know i know..its not the main thing (laptop) but its part of the package and i am curious to see how it looks:p

I am amazed that no one has asked about this, in ANY of the W90VP forums....

[gothicaleigh]

Hey Justin....Could you please post some pics of the back pack??
I am interested to see this item....i know i know..its not the main thing (laptop) but its part of the package and i am curious to see how it looks:p

I am amazed that no one has asked about this, in ANY of the W90VP forums....

Good question. I've seen that the dual core X1's come with a yellow pack with a molded back, but I see that the graphic on the ordering options here depicts the grey G-series pack.

I hope the A1's ship soon, I'm running out of details to discuss. :laugh:




Oh, and while you are running benchmarks would it be possible to get wPrime and Cinebench scores?
The Cinema4D Cinebench is here: http://www.maxon.net/pages/download/cinebench_e.html







*EDIT* ...and completely off-topic, but why do the threads display backwards on this forum? (last post first; first post at the bottom of the last page)

[ShadowLight]

...why do the threads display backwards on this forum? (last post first; first post at the bottom of the last page)
I've been wondering the exact same thing - What's really weird is they only display that way if I'm logged in, otherwise they display normally.
Oh yeah, and I really wanna see some more benchmarks for games - perhaps Supreme Commander or some other CPU-intensive RTS?

[Justin@XoticPC]

We will try to get a picture of the laptop and backpack the first of next week. :)

I looked at the options and made a small change so the oldest posts show first. Let us know if it doesn't display correctly for you.

We will try to run some more gaming benchmarks. We are trying to get some alternate drivers up and going. E-Wrecked's custom drivers unfortunately did not work. :(

[powerpack]

http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/41716.jpg http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/41718.jpg

Thanks NBR!

[powerpack]

*EDIT* ...and completely off-topic, but why do the threads display backwards on this forum? (last post first; first post at the bottom of the last page)

I've been wondering the exact same thing - What's really weird is they only display that way if I'm logged in, otherwise they display normally.


Click "User CP" top upper left.
Left side under "Settings & Options"
Click "Edit Options"
3rd section down "Thread Display Options". "Thread Display Mode". Drop down menue, pick Linear- Oldest First.
That should do the trick.

[gothicaleigh]

Click "User CP" top upper left.
Left side under "Settings & Options"
Click "Edit Options"
3rd section down "Thread Display Options". "Thread Display Mode". Drop down menue, pick Linear- Oldest First.
That should do the trick.

Thanks! That did the trick. :)

[mbaroud]

I dont think that those are the correct pics for the A1.
I have seen that type of back pack for the X1.
Hopefully, its the grey G series packpack. I find the X1 a bit ugly.
If thats the one that the laptop comes with, i would definitely be looking into another one

[powerpack]

I dont think that those are the correct pics for the A1.
I have seen that type of back pack for the X1.
Hopefully, its the grey G series packpack. I find the X1 a bit ugly.
If thats the one that the laptop comes with, i would definitely be looking into another oneYou are correct X1.

Is the only difference between the X1 and A1 the Quad? I did not even notice the difference until you pointed out?

[mbaroud]

Well there is plenty of differences.
I personally think that the A1 is a better deal than the X1
For a 100 bucks more (i opted to pay cash from Xotic:D) I get a Quad processor, a Blu-Ray reader and a second 320GB drive. All for 2300.....
Plus another difference is the mouse that comes with the X1 is a wireless blue-tooth. The one with the A1 is USB.:)

[GABLIEV]

Unfortunately we don't have a used QX9300 processor laying around so we won't be able to run tests on that CPU. We will have a few in stock next week and will test it at that time. :)

There are no multiplier options in the BIOS with the Q9000 CPU. You can still overclock the CPU through the Turbo Gear software in windows. Also, in the BIOS you do have the ability to disable one display card. This may be convenient if you're looking to save battery life and not playing games. Furthermore, there is RAID support in the BIOS so you as an end user can setup the two hard drives in a raid configuration.

The memory in this notebook is "6 GB DDR2 800 MHz SDRAM (2G x3) 3 Internal SODIMM Slots." You may be able to install two 4gb modules, but we haven't tested this yet.


Hey Justin....

I'M from China

1.I just wondering that how much about the delivery fees to China???

2.When will you get the machine in ? Tuesday or Wensday??

3.How about the Qx9300 ~ any mews update?

4. If I order this one with Qx9300 ~ When can I got my laptop??


Thanks

[Justin@XoticPC]

I dont think that those are the correct pics for the A1.
I have seen that type of back pack for the X1.
Hopefully, its the grey G series packpack. I find the X1 a bit ugly.
If thats the one that the laptop comes with, i would definitely be looking into another one

That is the same bag included with the A1. It is a special bag to accommodate this 18" machine.

[CHENG CHIA WEI]

That is the same bag included with the A1. It is a special bag to accommodate this 18" machine.

Hey ~ Justin

Can you test Vantage on this model

BTW~ Any information about the QX9300?? when will it on your stock??

Best regards

Cheng Chia Wei

[wwoods]

Any word from ASUS when you should recieve these ?

[Justin@XoticPC]

We should have our shipment tomorrow AM. We are still working with video drivers.

We expect to do some testing tomorrow or Wednesday with the QX9300.

[wwoods]

We should have our shipment tomorrow AM. We are still working with video drivers.

We expect to do some testing tomorrow or Wednesday with the QX9300.

Are there issues with the vid drivers ? not sure what you mean

[Justin@XoticPC]

We are trying custom drivers to increase performance. :)

[wwoods]

We are trying custom drivers to increase performance. :)

How will those drivers be updated over time ? if you decide to use them

[Justin@XoticPC]

^ It depends on if we can get any drivers working. If we ever get a set working you we will provide a DL link.

Today we have a W90 with QX9300 and Dual 80GB SSD's getting ready for testing. We will be updating the original post of the thread throughout the day with our results. We will be doing 3D Mark and Crysis Benchmarks first.

Loading Ultimate 64-Bit on it now. :D

[wwoods]

^ It depends on if we can get any drivers working. If we ever get a set working you we will provide a DL link.

Today we have a W90 with QX9300 and Dual 80GB SSD's getting ready for testing. We will be updating the original post of the thread throughout the day with our results. We will be doing 3D Mark and Crysis Benchmarks first.

Loading Ultimate 64-Bit on it now. :D

Does this mean that they arrived from ASUS :biggrin:

[Justin@XoticPC]

The first shipment has. Not enough to fill all orders. Another shipment will arrive the first of next week.

[Justin@XoticPC]

-Updated original post with scores from QX9300 and CPUZ Shots. Also added 3D Mark Vantage.

(These are stock besides the 5% OC with Turbo Gear)

[shiva.nf]

A qq. Can we upgrade W90 with a desktop Quad core processor (say Q9550) since it contains a deskptop chipset?

[Justin_W@XoticPC]

A qq. Can we upgrade W90 with a desktop Quad core processor (say Q9550) since it contains a deskptop chipset?

Unfortunately that wouldn't be possible :(

[gothicaleigh]

Isn't the x38 chipset compatible with DDR3 DIMMs? Would that be a possible upgrade somewhere down the road?

[Justin_W@XoticPC]

Isn't the x38 chipset compatible with DDR3 DIMMs? Would that be a possible upgrade somewhere down the road?

This question comes up a lot whether a customer can upgrade their current DDR2 system to DDR3 memory. To use DDR3 memory, your system must have both a 204-pin SODIMM slot and a chipset that supports DDR3 memory. A DDR3 SODIMM will not fit into DDR2 or DDR memory sockets. Please view the picture below for reference:

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5896/ddr2andddr3comparisonap4.jpg

[Quadzilla]

-Updated original post with scores from QX9300 and CPUZ Shots. Also added 3D Mark Vantage.

(These are stock besides the 5% OC with Turbo Gear)

Strange that there is only a 3 and 5% OC on the Qx9300 Hopefully there is a way to get around this and get it up to 25% :). Im sure Asus is trying to play it safe but 3 and 5 is playing it to safe .

[gothicaleigh]

This question comes up a lot whether a customer can upgrade their current DDR2 system to DDR3 memory. To use DDR3 memory, your system must have both a 204-pin SODIMM slot and a chipset that supports DDR3 memory. A DDR3 SODIMM will not fit into DDR2 or DDR memory sockets. Please view the picture below for reference:

Yeah, I guess that does make sense.
I saw a review elsewhere of the x38 chipsets from last year speaking about them using DDR2 and DDR3 and didn't really think it through before posting. :laugh:

[mbaroud]

YEAY MINE GOT SHIPPED TODAY!!!!:wink2:
Now the wait begins!!!!
Ok....in the mean time i can keep myself busy....any tips guys on a 18.4" bag or back pack.???
I am looking for something sleek, and cool......

[mbaroud]

YEAY MINE FINALLY GOT SHIPPED:biggrin:
Now the long and dreadful waiting starts :(

In the mean time....any recommendations on a 18.4 bag or backpack for this laptop? Something sleek and classy

[CHENG CHIA WEI]

-Updated original post with scores from QX9300 and CPUZ Shots. Also added 3D Mark Vantage.

(These are stock besides the 5% OC with Turbo Gear)

Hey Justin~

Can you post Vantage of QX9300

I wamnt to compare it with the Q9000


Can you post the bios picture captured in the W90VP

Thanks


Cheng Chia Wei

[Bri5150]

So there is NO way to OC the QX9300 past 5%? I was planning on getting the laptop cooling stand too and trying to get 10% maybe?

[Jon]

Yay its pretty dissapointing its only 5%. I wish Asus had less problems cooling their systems:I'm assuming that's why? I saw on Notebook review someone had oc's the 9300 to 4.0! & gotten at 3D mark of 20,000! njk!

[gothicaleigh]

Mine arrived today. Thank you guys, this thing is great. :D

...I think I'm just about done installing and updating everything, so off to have some fun. :biggrin:

[powerpack]

Mine arrived today. Thank you guys, this thing is great. :D

...I think I'm just about done installing and updating everything, so off to have some fun. :biggrin:You are aware we want a full report?

Temps, benches.:)

[Jon]

On the 5797 you can Overclock the 9300 to 3.0. Its so disapointing the W90 supports only a minimal overclock. I'm somewhat confused since I keep reading it has a quite good cooling system. Well NBR's been wrong before! Still, I hope I can find a way around this.

[powerpack]

Am I missing it? Other applications to OC are you all sure 5% is it? I mean setfsb should do it? I mean Asus I am guessing does not want too much of an OC factory.

[powerpack]

This question comes up a lot whether a customer can upgrade their current DDR2 system to DDR3 memory. To use DDR3 memory, your system must have both a 204-pin SODIMM slot and a chipset that supports DDR3 memory. A DDR3 SODIMM will not fit into DDR2 or DDR memory sockets. Please view the picture below for reference:

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5896/ddr2andddr3comparisonap4.jpg


I am currently working on upgrading from DDR2 to DDR3

http://www.issm-iseb.org/b2b/pics/Hacksaw.jpg

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x81/bhillp/hammer.jpg

http://www.rsvppost.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/duct-tape-3m.jpg

Gotta say I am feeling good about this!:yes:

[Jon]

Hey Powerpack! I'm hoping your right & I can OC it higher. The Turbogear thingy allows a higher OC for the 9400(think that's the processor?). I really want to get this to 3.0 since the Clevo/Sager 5797 supports that. With only a 5% OC it kinda seems like I'd be losing a lot of the processors potential?

[gothicaleigh]

Here are a few quick benchies from my A1.

Unfortunately, I had power saving mode on when I ran Vantage. 1.3Ghz. Doh! >.<
So... now we know how well it runs under that. :p

The 3DMark06 scores were run after Vantage with the Processor OC'd by 15% through TurboGear.

I'll try to do some slightly more serious benchmarks later with the CPU and cards at full tilt.

http://www.8thdaycreations.com/images/computer/3DMark-Vantage.jpg




http://www.8thdaycreations.com/images/computer/3dmark06.jpg




http://www.8thdaycreations.com/images/computer/3DMark06Settings.jpg

[gothicaleigh]

The Q9000 at the 15% TurboGear OC on WPrime2.0 and CinebenchR10.

[powerpack]

Gothic how about CPU-Z and GPU-Z shots.

Why is wPrime saying 1600Mhz?

Some good free monitoring apps. Core temp should give 4 core temps and TJ, GPU and HDD. Run orthos for 10 minutes and lets see temps? I also use Notebook Hardware Control for monitoring.

Does the turbo adjust the FSB?

Also the easist ATI OC tool i've used. AMD GPU Clock Utility. 14,000 should be your 3DMark goal I don't think hard to get to?

NBR got 13,641 with CPU at 2.8Ghz, my guess is that is a CPU score of 2,600 when OC at 3.2Ghz 15,628. Your CPU score of 3300. I don't see even the NBR OC getting a better CPU score than you? So I see 16,000 in your future. Then if you OC GPU? I OC my GPU and get about 25% greater 3DMark for you17,000 should be doable.

@Jon I don't see 3Ghz as possible. Maybe I misunderstand. Also if your dilemma is the A1 or NP5797? That is a hard one. At this time I think NP with faster Dual Core might out do A1 in some games. And like $300 less.

[gothicaleigh]

Gothic how about CPU-Z and GPU-Z shots.

CPU-Z and GPU-Z at stock clocks below. Also, the Windows Experience Index maxes out at 5.9 even at stock speeds.

Why is wPrime saying 1600Mhz?

I saw that too, not really sure but the rest of the numbers seem correct for what I would expect from the q9000.

Some good free monitoring apps. Core temp should give 4 core temps and TJ, GPU and HDD. Run orthos for 10 minutes and lets see temps? I also use Notebook Hardware Control for monitoring.

Does the turbo adjust the FSB?

Also the easist ATI OC tool i've used. AMD GPU Clock Utility. 14,000 should be your 3DMark goal I don't think hard to get to?

NBR got 13,641 with CPU at 2.8Ghz, my guess is that is a CPU score of 2,600 when OC at 3.2Ghz 15,628. Your CPU score of 3300. I don't see even the NBR OC getting a better CPU score than you? So I see 16,000 in your future. Then if you OC GPU? I OC my GPU and get about 25% greater 3DMark for you17,000 should be doable.

I'll run a few more things later, get overclocked CPU-Z/GPU-Z numbers and see what I can push that 3DMark up to.

[powerpack]

Those are not bad. Your 1.6Ghz is just speed step. Your Vista Index is not bad here is mine.

http://www.flynntechsolutions.com/vista index2.jpg

[gothicaleigh]

Windows 7 is cheating, mine only goes up to 5.9. :p

[powerpack]

Windows 7 is cheating, mine only goes up to 5.9. :pTurbo?:rolleyes:

Oh no not Windows 7 I changed the text on the file! This is not the first time I have heard. It is Vista. And I want the respect I deserve for beating it!

I think really 5.3 for me? But really only cause of the 5400 HDD?:p

[gothicaleigh]

Does the turbo adjust the FSB?

Yes it does.

It's about 1068 at standard clocks.
1220 with the 15% OC and 702 when it drops into power saving mode.

[mbaroud]

I dont know if you have the same problem that i have.....
The BD rom is taking WAY too long to install any type of software/games.

I ran nero discspeed, and i was getting an average read of 2.69x!!!!!

I called the ASUS tech support, requested me to RMA my W90.
I got a 3D Mark 06 of 11400.

Dont know why my Windows Index experience number is sticking at around 5.5

[gothicaleigh]

I dont know if you have the same problem that i have.....
The BD rom is taking WAY too long to install any type of software/games.

I ran nero discspeed, and i was getting an average read of 2.69x!!!!!

Yikes. Something definately seems wrong there. Don't know how fast my drive runs, but installing my software (including Adobe's giant CS4 Master Collection) from disc didn't take any extraordinary amount of time.

I called the ASUS tech support, requested me to RMA my W90.
I got a 3D Mark 06 of 11400.

Is that at stock clocks? I got 12.7k with the 15% TurboGear OC.

Dont know why my Windows Index experience number is sticking at around 5.5

Which stat was your lowest?




Sorry to hear of your troubles, hopefully Asus straightens things out for you soon. :(

[mbaroud]

The 3dMark06 score was all at standard, no OC.
My lowest stat was the Memory, the rest was getting about 5.7

When i installed Crysis, Ran everything on ultra high and highest supported resolution with AA 4x. The game just ran extremely choppy....Couldnt play. I had to take the details to high with AA 2x with highest resolution to get playable frame rates.

[gothicaleigh]

The 3dMark06 score was all at standard, no OC.

That 3DMark is probably pretty accurate with no OC.

My lowest stat was the Memory, the rest was getting about 5.7

Thw Windows Experience Index will read how much memory is available. You will be able to get a better score if you close down anything that may be running in the background. It should be able to post 5.9's across the board with stock settings (that's what mine did).

When i installed Crysis, Ran everything on ultra high and highest supported resolution with AA 4x. The game just ran extremely choppy....Couldnt play. I had to take the details to high with AA 2x with highest resolution to get playable frame rates.

Try it without AA as that is a resource hog. With this resolution and screen size you may find that it won't be needed. Also try running it in DX9 mode as the DX10 drivers for our vidcards are out of date (I've heard the only visual difference is the sunshafts).

[mbaroud]

Sounds good!
I am going to try it when my W90 is back from ASUS.

This might sound as a weird question. How do i quote your statements in my Post?? :p

[bluedude]

So I am looking at the W90 with the QX9300 and I am wondering whether it is really any better then a Sager 5797. I am wondering what the fuss is about the GTX 280M. It cannot out perform the ATI HD 4870x2 can it? I'm really stuck on whether I want to fork out $3,600 for a top of the line W90 or shell out 4k for the NP5797 with all of the goodies like the QX9300, GTX 280M, 8 GB DDR3, 4GB Turbo memory and a blu ray drive. Anyone have any suggestions? If you had 4k would you get the fully loaded W90 or the fully loaded NP5797?

[Jon]

Hey Bluedude! I got the W90 with the 9300 & dual ssd drives. If your drawn to the Clevo maybe you should wait for the 9800NU. You can then have the option of 280's in sli & I think 3 drives? I think 2 4870's beat a 280m. Once theres benchmarks for 280 in sli then you can compare with crossfire 4870(its all speculation now). One thing to consider is the Asus only allows(with the turbogear software) for a 5% OC(Im going to try other programs for a higher OC). Asus isn't the best with heating issues & CLevo are quite excellent. Also, if your wait for the 9800(I think the same price points as the Asus) you get a cool looking (though fingerprint prone) machine:the first sexy Clevo! To make a long story short I think its a tossup(at least for me) between the Asus & the 5797. If i had more patience (I dont lol ) I'd get the 9800NU. For 4K you can spec it out nicely.

[saincteye@msn.com]

So I am looking at the W90 with the QX9300 and I am wondering whether it is really any better then a Sager 5797. I am wondering what the fuss is about the GTX 280M. It cannot out perform the ATI HD 4870x2 can it? I'm really stuck on whether I want to fork out $3,600 for a top of the line W90 or shell out 4k for the NP5797 with all of the goodies like the QX9300, GTX 280M, 8 GB DDR3, 4GB Turbo memory and a blu ray drive. Anyone have any suggestions? If you had 4k would you get the fully loaded W90 or the fully loaded NP5797?

I don't know if it will beat 4870X2 since the GTX 280M is just 9800GTX renamed , and 4870X2 is an actual 4870 X2 ( they are two different generation of cards ).

[powerpack]

So I am looking at the W90 with the QX9300 and I am wondering whether it is really any better then a Sager 5797. I am wondering what the fuss is about the GTX 280M. It cannot out perform the ATI HD 4870x2 can it? I'm really stuck on whether I want to fork out $3,600 for a top of the line W90 or shell out 4k for the NP5797 with all of the goodies like the QX9300, GTX 280M, 8 GB DDR3, 4GB Turbo memory and a blu ray drive. Anyone have any suggestions? If you had 4k would you get the fully loaded W90 or the fully loaded NP5797?I would get the NP5797. I know that is only personal preference on my part so not like I can give you good reasons. I prefer the slightly smaller NP5797. I would point out that the NP9262 is actually more head to head with the Asus?

The 280 is between a single 4870 and 4870x2. On games that don't make use of CrossFire the 280 will outperform the 4870x2. In games that do support CF it will depend on how well. On some it will little better on others could be a nice boost. Regardless of 3DMark scores in real games Nvidia seems to have advantages over ATI.

At this point I am not sure if I am sold on Quads in notebooks. I have trouble giving up clocks and multi threaded beyond two threads is still being developed. I do not like the Q's 45w TDP and X's 44w TDP. I think The T9800 2.93Ghz 35w TDP is good so is the P9600 2.66Ghz 25w TDP and T9550 2.66Ghz 35w TDP.

Lets take a look at the Q9000 2Ghz TDP 45w vs T9800 2.93Ghz TDP 35w. TDP is not the maximum heat output. Regardless of what MFG say there will be heat issues running Q's all out. Q9300 all out has 8Ghz computational power the T9800 5.86Ghz raw power. To get the benefit of 8Ghz you are going to go beyond the TDP. You can even see the Quads TDP is fudged to count on not using all cores even the same way as the Duals. You see if you put 2 Pxxxx together you would have 50w TDP not 45w? Simply put there is not the headroom on the Quads to run all out prolonged there is on the duals.

If I have confused anyone I am not saying Quads will overheat. I am not saying that. I am saying that TDP on both Dual and Quads is not a measure of the maximum heat output. It is a formula that for Intel they determine the criteria (AMD sets their own) to try and come up with thermal cooling capabilities required under real world use. Both in theory can out do their TDP but the dual especially in a system designed to also have Quads has much more headroom so interestingly possibly could run with the same raw power without going beyond the heat envelope which I say Quads will if using all their raw power. Remember desktop guys use water cooling and phase changing and more. Notebooks don't have those options.

Wiki has a good article on TDP and what it is and is not.

This might sound as a weird question. How do i quote your statements in my Post?? :pUnder peoples avatars are buttons the top says "quote" click it and the text box appears with what you quoted. For multi quotes. The plus button as many as you want then the last one click the "quote" and all will appear. They will appear in the order you clicked them.

Someone above said the Asus only OC 5%? Is that correct? NBR OC theirs 15% and for a review they would not be using aftermarket apps?

[crabman]

A question I have here is that if the laptop is already coming with the t9600 in it and we then have to pay for a completely new cpu why cant I just have the 9600? I dont video encode or use any applications which use 4 cores. Since I trade lappies every two years I feel fine with sticking with a duo core for the next go around. When you consider that the X-1 has a higher 3dmark than the exotic version with the 9300 and SSDs you can see where my thought process is heading. The other two horses in the race are the two sagers. I have had several sagers and like them but am drawn to the bigger screen on the ASUS.

[mbaroud]

Under peoples avatars are buttons the top says "quote" click it and the text box appears with what you quoted. For multi quotes. The plus button as many as you want then the last one click the "quote" and all will appear. They will appear in the order you clicked them.

Someone above said the Asus only OC 5%? Is that correct? NBR OC theirs 15% and for a review they would not be using aftermarket apps?

Thanks dude!!!:)

The answer to your question is "YES and NO"
The Asus OC at 5% only if you upgrade the CPU to the QX9300
If you keep the Q9000, it can go to 15%. I think it is a limit placed by Asus to prevent overheating.

[JamesTPicard]

I am trying to decide between the Asus W90VP-A1 and the Sager NP5797 and one thing I have not heard talked much about (at least I can't find it) is how they compare audio wise. Can anyone describe to me how the Sager NP5797 sound is? The location of the speakers/subwoofer seems odd and very small. The Asus seems to be decked out. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.

[gothicaleigh]

Thanks dude!!!:)

The answer to your question is "YES and NO"
The Asus OC at 5% only if you upgrade the CPU to the QX9300
If you keep the Q9000, it can go to 15%. I think it is a limit placed by Asus to prevent overheating.

Limits? We don't need no stinkin' limits. :p
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=371558

:biggrin:

[Jon]

[QUOTE=gothicaleigh;12550]Limits? We don't need no stinkin' limits. :p
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=371558

Thanks so much for the link! The Limit Breakers guide looks really helpful!:biggrin::biggrin:

[gothicaleigh]

Limits? We don't need no stinkin' limits. :p
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=371558

Thanks so much for the link! The Limit Breakers guide looks really helpful!:biggrin::biggrin:

If nothing else, it allows us to update to the much-needed 9.4 drivers (although some of those extreme OC levels are quite tempting). :)




A Q9000 running at a stable 2.7Ghz? Very nice. :)

[Jon]

[QUOTE=gothicaleigh;12572]If nothing else, it allows us to update to the much-needed 9.4 drivers (although some of those extreme OC levels are quite tempting). :)


I know the extreme OC's are sooo tempting! I'll settle for hopefully 15 or 20% though. This week is crazy but this weekend I'll see how it goes! Can't wait! Oh & you should run 3D mark again. I think its a little more processor speed dependent than some think!

[Jon]

[QUOTE=gothicaleigh;12572]If nothing else, it allows us to update to the much-needed 9.4 drivers (although some of those extreme OC levels are quite tempting). :)


! Oh & you should run 3D mark again. I think its a little more processor speed dependent than some think!

ps wow im a awful unclear writer! i meant since you overclocked to 2.7 maybe see how the score changes! well gotta go to sleep! hope your enjoying the laptop!

[Justin@XoticPC]

Sorry been away from the thread the last few days. We have used a combination of SETFSB and the max 5% OC in Turbo Gear with the QX9300. We had it just over 3.2GHz and couldn't get much more out of it. With the stock Video Drivers and Bios were at just over 17K in 3D Mark 06. We are going to keep trying some other ideas from E-Wrecked and see if we can keep pushing the score. :)

[Martins2012@gmail.com]

Sorry been away from the thread the last few days. We have used a combination of SETFSB and the max 5% OC in Turbo Gear with the QX9300. We had it just over 3.2GHz and couldn't get much more out of it. With the stock Video Drivers and Bios were at just over 17K in 3D Mark 06. We are going to keep trying some other ideas from E-Wrecked and see if we can keep pushing the score. :)

Its been 2 or 3 weeks you dont have anymore W90. Why is it taking so long? Are they fixing heating problems?

[potent]

Out of curiosity, is there any prediction to how much of the lifespan of the laptop will be reduced from overclocking that much?
I know its stable but is there any kind of documentation about this kind of thing?

[mupet]

its so confusing, witch one is the best laptop gaming between Sager NP 9262 and Asus W90-a1 ?

[potent]

its so confusing, witch one is the best laptop gaming between Sager NP 9262 and Asus W90-a1 ?

I think there is a lot of leeway in defining "the best"
(I believe, from extensive reading) although the Asus will have more gaming power because of the Crossfire 4870, that does not mean its the best, although people will praise the 4870 for its higher performance I dont think that the difference is that great (what is a couple fps anyway :p unless its like 10 fps at the lower spectrum in which case you would be turning down graphics anyway)

I read there were a lot of problems with the W90 but perhaps most have been resolved already.

But for me, there are a lot of other considerations to account for. Like build quality, mobility (17" vs 18.4") with weights as well, upgradebility, warranties, lifespan, etc... Y

My personal opinion is this: the W90 is powerful, very powerful but for the portability and weight it offers you, rather get a desktop whereas the 9262 has a lot more potential as a laptop

Dont flame me, I said its an opinion :wideeyed:

[mupet]

I think there is a lot of leeway in defining "the best"
(I believe, from extensive reading) although the Asus will have more gaming power because of the Crossfire 4870, that does not mean its the best, although people will praise the 4870 for its higher performance I dont think that the difference is that great (what is a couple fps anyway :p unless its like 10 fps at the lower spectrum in which case you would be turning down graphics anyway)

I read there were a lot of problems with the W90 but perhaps most have been resolved already.

But for me, there are a lot of other considerations to account for. Like build quality, mobility (17" vs 18.4") with weights as well, upgradebility, warranties, lifespan, etc... Y

My personal opinion is this: the W90 is powerful, very powerful but for the portability and weight it offers you, rather get a desktop whereas the 9262 has a lot more potential as a laptop

Dont flame me, I said its an opinion :wideeyed:

well..u rite about portable thing but ... i just need laptop for game only, if it comes to portable (work related) ill take my acer aspire one. BOS (back on subject) still worried to get Asus for the heat issue and the performance its not the expected as rumors said :confused::confused:

[potent]

its so confusing, witch one is the best laptop gaming between Sager NP 9262 and Asus W90-a1 ?

well..u rite about portable thing but ... i just need laptop for game only, if it comes to portable (work related) ill take my acer aspire one. BOS (back on subject) still worried to get Asus for the heat issue and the performance its not the expected as rumors said :confused::confused:

Well, there is no doubt that the W90 is powerful, very powerful.
I have read that the W90 isnt living up to the expections of breaking the 20k barrier in 3dMark06 and that hasnt happened yet.

I have heard the contrary of heat issues, the W90 runs very cool hence the incredible overclock people are achieving and it is still running cool for the people.

I have first hand experience with Asus, albeit an older model, it is a solid machine but it isnt really living up to my expectations similarly like many users from different forums. I havent heard of any serious issues with Sager but is an incredible machine. Based on that I would suggest a Sager for its build quality but its all personal preference, its up to you. But I suggest you get opinions from other people with first hand experience with sager as I have an illusion of sager since I just ordered one :eeek2: I am quite prejedice because of that.
But my opinion still stands, but if you just want a gaming machine not to carry about, I do suggest a desktop but I know the pressure. I also like to game in front of the tele :p

the other users of this forum would probably be more biased than me as a bunch of them arent shopping for it and their opinions will be more objective :cool:

[mupet]

what??..there never heard lappie will breach 20K 3dmark:smile2:, maybe when they setup i7 on their proc.:rolleyes: even that it will came up with desktop 1st then probably by mid 2010 lappie turn :D

[potent]

Yeah, I know what you mean. But the hype was that the W90 could do it. So the actual laptop hasnt lived up to the hype yet :p

[mupet]

so nobody is saying W90 or Sager is the best :-/...so i take the liberty to say they both equal :wink2:

[powerpack]

so nobody is saying W90 or Sager is the best :-/...so i take the liberty to say they both equal :wink2:If the NP9262 never got the 280m? And only had the 9800m GTX SLI. Then at least in 3DMark I am going with the A90 HD4870 CF?

what??..there never heard lappie will breach 20K 3dmark:smile2:, maybe when they setup i7 on their proc.:rolleyes: even that it will came up with desktop 1st then probably by mid 2010 lappie turn :DI have just read some Crysis benches very high detail. CPU has next to no performance boost. Assuming it is current generation. So getting to 20,000 with the CPU as the reason would have zero benefit in Crysis and many others. One of the reasons why some are critical of 3DMark.

Then again without benchmarks not sure life would be worth living?:laugh:

[Mosaic]

Would like to start off: Great review Justin.

My 9262 with dual 9800M GTX's get 15,000 marks (3DMARK06)

With that being said, 2 GPU's from nVidia = 15,000 3DMarks.
4 GPU's from ATi = 3,000 less than above. With NO overclocking.

Granted, I do have a Q9650. However, I have 4 GB of ram vs. 6.

Other than that, system specs are the same.

Sager > Asus laptops.
nVidia > ATi laptop GPU's. (4870X2 Desktop GPU rocks the house on performance and bang for buck)

Just IMHO.

Im all about the numbers. And these numbers aren't impressive with 4 ATi GPU's.

[Jon]

Would like to start off: Great review Justin.

My 9262 with dual 9800M GTX's get 15,000 marks (3DMARK06)

With that being said, 2 GPU's from nVidia = 15,000 3DMarks.
4 GPU's from ATi = 3,000 less than above. With NO overclocking.

Granted, I do have a Q9650. However, I have 4 GB of ram vs. 6.

Other than that, system specs are the same.

Sager > Asus laptops.
nVidia > ATi laptop GPU's. (4870X2 Desktop GPU rocks the house on performance and bang for buck)

Just IMHO.

Im all about the numbers. And these numbers aren't impressive with 4 ATi GPU's.
There's 2 radeon gpu's not 4. ATI has a confusing numbering system:well, same for Nvidia!lol It's not quad crossfire(2x 4870x2) tho the confusing descriptions make it seem that way. Its 2 radion mobility 4870's. Would be cool if a laptop could fit 2 dual graphic cards!

[Mosaic]

The review does say 4870X2, which, if like the desktop 4870X2, has 2 GPU cores on it. So unless the laptop version of the 4870X2 has only one core on it, then two 4870X2's would be 4 GPU's, effectively...confirm/deny?

[Jon]

The review does say 4870X2, which, if like the desktop 4870X2, has 2 GPU cores on it. So unless the laptop version of the 4870X2 has only one core on it, then two 4870X2's would be 4 GPU's, effectively...confirm/deny?

Hey Mosaic! I could be confused(maybe somebody can correct me?)! My understanding tho is the mobility radeon 4970 is'nt a dual graphics card like the destop version:so regular not quad crossfire. I looked again on the Ati/AMD site & think i right? Well, maybe somebody is positve?

[Jon]

Hey Mosaic! I could be confused(maybe somebody can correct me?)! My understanding tho is the mobility radeon 4970 is'nt a dual graphics card like the destop version:so regular not quad crossfire. I looked again on the Ati/AMD site & think i right? Well, maybe somebody is positve?

ps. sorry, mean 4870

[ichime]

The Asus W90 has two single Mobility 4870 cards connected in Crossfire. Due to drivers, it's read as a single 4870x2, so it's really two GPUs, not four.

[Martins2012@gmail.com]

You can choose to overclock it in increments of 3%, 5%, 10% and 15%. The highest overclock setting allowed through Turbo gear is 15%. You wouldn't have access to overclock it to 17%. We will be testing battery life today as well and will post the results later today.

Hi guys, i have a question: Have you guys ever used the IZ3D. Drivers and glasses for 3D games? Using this laptop or this w90 is not powerfull enouth? Im still waiting for shipping!

[kelvintwc]

Just ordered one today and wondering when it will be shipped?

[dnancegigment]

Just ordered one today and wondering when it will be shipped?

I also ordered one and still waiting on mine, ordered it on On May 2nd and it still hasn't come in stock. I can't wait to get some rendering done on this.

[VilainHero]

I also ordered one and still waiting on mine, ordered it on On May 2nd and it still hasn't come in stock. I can't wait to get some rendering done on this.

hi,
you have to be patient, I order mine on the April 28 and still waiting to know when it will arrive. Hope to have a response very soon.

[ova]

I also ordered one and still waiting on mine, ordered it on On May 2nd and it still hasn't come in stock. I can't wait to get some rendering done on this.

Just got the email ...Xtoic got their shippment...

[syfer]

So which is best the Sager NP9280 (Clevo D900F) or W90VP-A1?????????? I want to buy a laoptop for games but also for 3d modelling so which is best?
heres Sager NP9280 (Clevo D900F) Benchmarks
http://www.xoticpcforums.com/showthread.php?p=12963#post12963

[fallenxlionheart]

3d modeling-np9280 creams.
Games-9280 does incredibly well.... but w90vp will come out ahead

[syfer]

I dont know what do you maen?
3d modeling-np9280 creams.
Games-9280 does incredibly well.... but w90vp will come out ahead

[fallenxlionheart]

for 3d modeling i believe your probbably better off with the i7 (np9280)

for games youll have a step up higher with the 9850...

But theirs always more to consider other than performance

[syfer]

I can not decide My option are ASUS W90VP-A1 or Sager NP9280 or Sager NP9850
But I do want to upgrade to windows 7 when it comes out as well I just cant decide...... I need help if I could own then all lol. Any own know from ASUS W90VP-A1 or Sager NP9280 or Sager NP9850 which machine will be spport windows 7????????

[fallenxlionheart]

all of them...though personally i am partial to the sagers

[bbw90]

the W90 have lot of issue with the graphic card . A lot of people have RMA there system for lot of time. I will not suggest you go for it unless you want to have 1000 problem with it. Start reading here (http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=354885) until the last page. Majority 95% of people who buy it have experience problem on that forum.

[fallenxlionheart]

chalk another one up for sager

[Pata]

Does anyone know if the radeons that come with the asus can be overclocked with programs like rivatunner without the need to flash the bios? I have tried to search but i only got more confused:)

[Jon]

the W90 have lot of issue with the graphic card . A lot of people have RMA there system for lot of time. I will not suggest you go for it unless you want to have 1000 problem with it. Start reading here (http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=354885) until the last page. Majority 95% of people who buy it have experience problem on that forum.

I have had 0 problems with the graphics cards~I think maybe your talking about the version of the W90 sold on Newegg?

[powerpack]

Does anyone know if the radeons that come with the asus can be overclocked with programs like rivatunner without the need to flash the bios? I have tried to search but i only got more confused:)I don't know I wish I did. I had no luck with OC on all the standard ones. Then I found AMD GPU Clock Tool. It works great for me. But from others not so great. People are having issues OC'ing many. I wish I had better info.;)

[Pata]

I don't know I wish I did. I had no luck with OC on all the standard ones. Then I found AMD GPU Clock Tool. It works great for me. But from others not so great. People are having issues OC'ing many. I wish I had better info.;)

Thank you for the reply regardless, looks like it might work with AMD GPU Clock Tool.