New Sager NP8690 (W860CU) and NP8760 (W870CU) Preliminary Info & Scores!

[Justin@XoticPC]

Here is a bit of a update and a sneak peak of some benchmarks http://forum.notebookreview.com/images/smilies/smile.gif http://forum.notebookreview.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif Unfortunately Sager could not show the CPU due to NDA that will be up next Wednesday. Pre Order expected to start next week. :)

1.
Sager NP8690 AKA (W860CU)

Pre-order: late September

ETA to ship: early Oct’09

Available GPU: NVIDIA GF 260M and 280M w/1GB however Sager will only release with NVIDIA GeForce 280M GTX w/1GB

Available Screen: HD+ & FHD

sneak peak of performance attached


2.
Sager NP8760 AKA (W870CU)

Pre-Order: End September

ETA to ship: Mid Oct’09

Available GPU: NVIDIA GF 280M w/1GB Only

there will not be an ATI 4870XT option

Available screen: FHD


3.
Sager NP8662 will continue to be available with NV GF 260M GTX w/1GB

NP5797 will be phased out soon.

[powerpack]

Nice! I know you can't talk about the CPU NDA but it is an i7? If so only want to point out if Quad 3DMark06 3600 CPU score? My dual at 2.85Mhz gets 2600. So not trying to cause a fuss but I wanted to see better. And to all that CPU score will not hurt actual gaming as CPU is not the important component.

OK I go out on a limb here it is a 1.66Ghz i7? If so looks like what I expected but wanted more from i7.

Run wPrime with 4 threads and 8 threads if it has HTT. That won't violate the NDA.

But a good score and the 280 in a 15-16 is nice. It is an improvement. Also the more I knock the CPU the better the 3DMark score looks.

If I am even close on the CPU I will comment latter why it is actually kind of impressive vs C2.

[Cafeine]

Thanks a lot for these new information, I can't wait for my W860CU <3

Oh, stupid question : what means HD+ res ?

[powerpack]

Thanks a lot for these new information, I can't wait for my W860CU <3

Oh, stupid question : what means HD+ res ?Not a stupid question at all! Full HD has or is becoming 16:9 resolution. So HD+ means 16:10 which is above full HD. Marketing bullshit is what it comes to. These terms are very loosely defined and very new. If I was lord God almighty I would not describe as such but alas I am not lord God almighty.:D

[Justin@XoticPC]

FDH will be 1920x1080 and the low resolution HD will be 1600x900.

Powerpak - I will see if we can get a WPrime result. It may be next week if we can get it. THe CPU is the new mobile i7 which is under NDA until Wednesday.

[Master09]

I was considering the NP8662, so should I just hold it off ???

[powerpack]

I was considering the NP8662, so should I just hold it off ???When do you need and what will you be doing with it. You will have some waiting to do for this.

[jdong23]

I was considering the NP8662, so should I just hold it off ???
I'm in the same boat as you, I started looking at laptops a few days ago and was gonna settle on the 8662. Now with the info that the W860CU is getting released, I think I'm definitely going to wait to see the benchmarks and pricing.

With pre-orders being taken within the next 2 weeks and the units shipping in early October, I don't think that's a very long time to have to wait. I'm definitely eager for Wednesday to see the new i7 mobile reviews.

[powerpack]

Not to burst any bubbles I don't think anyone is going to get this new model in their hands in the month of October. Just a guess based on watching ETA's constantly pushed back. Throw in this is a new platform implementation and I have seen some not even new platform take longer.

Like I said just opinion I could be wrong but I don't think I am. Consider NP9850 pre orders middle of June no one has received yet should start getting this week. They had mid July ETA's at one point. Wasn't the NP9280 about a month?

[Master09]

When do you need and what will you be doing with it. You will have some waiting to do for this.

Well, I would like it soon, but if its gona be something good ill hold it off, and as for use, I want a power laptop

[Master09]

I'm in the same boat as you, I started looking at laptops a few days ago and was gonna settle on the 8662. Now with the info that the W860CU is getting released, I think I'm definitely going to wait to see the benchmarks and pricing.

With pre-orders being taken within the next 2 weeks and the units shipping in early October, I don't think that's a very long time to have to wait. I'm definitely eager for Wednesday to see the new i7 mobile reviews.

what is the screen size of the new models ?

[ChinNoobonic]

what is the screen size of the new models ?

w860cu = 15.6"
w870cu = 17.3"

[Shuo]

I'm looking to buy a laptop around Christmas. I planned to get NP8662 as a gaming laptop and also for university next year. If the price of W860CU is around $1500 I will definitely get this one instead :D

[ryukenden]

Need pictures of what the new notebook look like. I would like to have a sager with m17x look or w90 appearance, because the other models are uglyyyyy *cough*NP9280*cough*

[pernicus]

it might be somewhere in that neighborhood by christmasI'm looking to buy a laptop around Christmas. I planned to get NP8662 as a gaming laptop and also for university next year. If the price of W860CU is around $1500 I will definitely get this one instead :D

[pernicus]

well there is an i-7 tab now...but nothing under it...waiting...bueller...bueller

[Jon K]

Did the NDA that Intel had going finally end?

[Justin@XoticPC]

The Intel NDA lifts today at 10AM PST. It will be launched immediately once the NDA is lifted. :) :) For now there will only be the W860CU, the W870CU will release next month.

[Jon K]

Awesome, thanks for the quick reply. I'm living in China atm and can't wait to order this beast! Quick ? will the 260M be the standard card with the 280M being at extra cost?

[Justin@XoticPC]

Glad to help! :) At this time only the 280M will be offered. To give you a hint the pricing will be $1,6xx for the 8690 with 2GB DDR3 1333MHz, 250GB, GTX 280M, WIFI, Bluetooth etc..

[Justin@XoticPC]

It is now live! :) CLICK HERE (http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np8690-built-clevo-w860cu-custom-gaming-laptop-p-2659.html)

[Andyx]

would it be reasonable to expect a 2+ hour battery life if I power it down with battery saving mode and doing internet/ms word from this laptop.

[fallenxlionheart]

is that a mobile i7??

[Andyx]

yup, it says mobile i7 on the specs I think.

[DrewB]

So... How does that work? Does it use less of the processing power when its not needed and more during games? Or can we set it manually?

[powerpack]

I need to do a lot more reading but the entire Turbo thing has my attention. It is very hard to ignore clocks but this is really making me think. This is absolutely the most exciting thing in mobile computing since multi cores came out if you ask me.

So... How does that work? Does it use less of the processing power when its not needed and more during games? Or can we set it manually?
Hi Drew I am not up to speed on this but here I go. It can raise the clocks as long as the thermal threshold is not passed. This is done by disabling cores. So obviously if less cores are used it can clock them higher. I do not know if it can be manually set to disable cores. That said I am thinking real world it would not be needed. I think much like disabling "speed step" is pointless. The system can compensate and adjust so no need to do manually. Remember if the CPU wants to use four cores at a lower clock how would you gain by artificially limiting? If you need CPU power why would you care what core it comes from. You would not. Also 1.6x4=6.4, 2.8 with 1 core or heck even two is less total computational power than 6.4?

And before some one tells me you can't add together. You can if you are expressing as a quantity of work. Which is in fact how many people talk anyway without even realizing.

As said I am still learning. The NDA did limit guys like me from learning since lifted I expect to learn a lot more.

[ryukenden]

I don't get the I7 on the np9280.... Which is faster the best proccessor on the Np8760 or the best proccessor on the np9280? Can someone clarify because the "mobile" is misleading.

edit: Its seem that np9280 is a "desktop" proccessor on a laptop and comsumes 130w TDP compared to 45/55w.

So still... can someone list the advantanges compared to the np9280?

[powerpack]

I don't get the I7 on the np9280.... Which is faster the best proccessor on the Np8760 or the best proccessor on the np9280? Can someone clarify because the "mobile" is misleading.I can see why you are confused. And I only know the little info I have read and some guessing so I could be wrong.

In theoretical terms the Desktop CPU's on the desktops crush the mobiles in maximum computational power. I would dare say that in almost all real world computing the 9280 and it's desktop CPU would out perform the mobile. I can make up a situation where the mobile would win. In a single threaded application where you are not doing other tasks the mobile i7 1.6Ghz running at 2.8Ghz on one core would out perform the i7 920 at 2.66Ghz. But how often is that going to happen? Not much.

When using all 4 cores a i7 920 at 2.66Ghz vs the mobile 1.6Ghz, the i7 920 crushes. In theory the 2.66Ghzx4=11.2Ghz the 1.6Ghzx4=6.4Ghz theoretical work capability. Very clear which one crushes the other?

One thing even I am slow to appreciate is Intel is not trying to build the absolute most powerful mobile CPU they can. They always try and squeeze the most performance while controlling thermal and battery draw issues. You see pure performance is not their goal. Balance is. And this one is very exciting.

But make no mistake this 1.6Ghz is going to give all C2D a major run for it's money and use less power.

[Justin_W@XoticPC]

Here is a link on Intel's Turbo Boost Technology (http://go.notebookreview.com/?id=525X832&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.intel.com%2Ftechnology%2Fturb oboost%2F) where the GHz speeds increases depending on the number of cores in use.

[ryukenden]

Hmmm is there a new model that have i7 core with sli gtx 280m? w870cu?

[Justin_W@XoticPC]

Hmmm is there a new model that have i7 core with sli gtx 280m? w870cu?

not at this time there is not. The NP8760 (W870CU) doesn't have SLI support, but it will have the mobile i7 CPU's.

[GIG.AD]

not at this time there is not. The NP8760 (W870CU) doesn't have SLI support, but it will have the mobile i7 CPU's.

Any word on what GPU the NP8760 will have? 280M GTX?
But the NP8690 looks fantastic and well priced compared to other laptops ( yeah I'm talking to you AW M15x:p) + this thing will be more powerful.
Is this thing much bigger than the NP8660 it replaces?

[anexanhume]

Any word on what GPU the NP8760 will have? 280M GTX?
But the NP8690 looks fantastic and well priced compared to other laptops ( yeah I'm talking to you AW M15x:p) + this thing will be more powerful.
Is this thing much bigger than the NP8660 it replaces?

Not really, about .1" thicker and .2 lbs heavier. For comparison, the M15x is 9 lbs (vs. 7.3) and 1.92" thick, but only packs a 260M at most.

[Justin_W@XoticPC]

Any word on what GPU the NP8760 will have? 280M GTX?
But the NP8690 looks fantastic and well priced compared to other laptops ( yeah I'm talking to you AW M15x:p) + this thing will be more powerful.
Is this thing much bigger than the NP8660 it replaces?

The Sager NP8760 will have a GTX 280m video card.

[NasGhost]

Justin, what do you know about the temps and MXM compatibility of this beast?

[GIG.AD]

Justin, what do you know about the temps and MXM compatibility of this beast?

Yes that would really help!
Is the laptop loud with the newer 2 fan setup?
Do they run hard when running benchmarks?
Some posted temps would rock!

[prophetaxxi]

Got me pre-order in! Hope it will be be worth the wait!:rolleyes:

[krforrester]

Not really, about .1" thicker and .2 lbs heavier. For comparison, the M15x is 9 lbs (vs. 7.3) and 1.92" thick, but only packs a 260M at most.

I couldn't find out the thickness of the NP8690. Are you saying its thicker or thinner than the M15x?

[Justin_W@XoticPC]

I couldn't find out the thickness of the NP8690. Are you saying its thicker or thinner than the M15x?

Size & Weight



7.38 LBs with Battery Pack
14.75" (w) x 10" (d) x 1.65" ~ 2.0" (h)

[Justin_W@XoticPC]

Justin, what do you know about the temps and MXM compatibility of this beast?

Yes that would really help!
Is the laptop loud with the newer 2 fan setup?
Do they run hard when running benchmarks?
Some posted temps would rock!

The Sager np8690 should have a MXM 3.0 slot as the GTX 280m video card is a MXM 3.0 Type-B video card. Sorry, no info on temps at this time.

[vanfanel]

hey justin, I already pre-ordered mine but I had a question regarding the RAM. Does it support the full 8GB in 64bit vista/win7? I noticed the config page says "Requires Vista 64-Bit to utilize Full 4GB" for the 4,6 and 8GB configurations. thanks!

[Justin_W@XoticPC]

hey justin, I already pre-ordered mine but I had a question regarding the RAM. Does it support the full 8GB in 64bit vista/win7? I noticed the config page says "Requires Vista 64-Bit to utilize Full 4GB" for the 4,6 and 8GB configurations. thanks!

Yes it does :)

[amdolev]

Maybe it's too early for this question. Do you think getting the i7-820 instead of the 720 is worth the 200 dollars?
I've been trying to look for any charts, but to no avail.
If anyone knows where they hide, please link me :)

[powerpack]

I think it is too early. I looked and could not find much. That said I did read the middle mobile i7 out performs the fastest (kinda) Core2, link (http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/09/18/quad.core.i7.much.faster.in.benchmarks/#).

But as far as comparing the two i7's you ask of. Really it is all relative, meaning does the first step up of i7, Core2, Core, PM, P4 and so on justify the cost. Well no but yes. You don't need faster than the 1.6Ghz but I would pay $200 if I could afford.

Also think of this new i7's like a 2.8Ghz or 3.06Ghz Dual core (C2). I bet the 1.6Ghz i7 beats the 2.26Ghz C2 quad.

Back to the link it looks like the i7 clock for clock might be 46% increase. I need to read more about to confirm. But it is clearly inferred in the link. I think that is a bit much but do not doubt a substantial increase in clock for clock performance.

Good luck and post back any info you find.

Justin's do some CPU benches. wPrime comes to mind, do as 4, 8, 16 thread runs. HT has a bad rap for most gamer guys. It slows performance in desktops on many applications for what that is worth.

[amdolev]

You don't need faster than the 1.6Ghz but I would pay $200 if I could afford.



Thanks for that. I'll read more into it.
Anyway, this price step up looks a lot more comfortable and appealing then the 500$ price jump from the Q9000 to the Q9100 and the extreme ones for instence

[NasGhost]

I think it is too early. I looked and could not find much. That said I did read the middle mobile i7 out performs the fastest (kinda) Core2, link (http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/09/18/quad.core.i7.much.faster.in.benchmarks/#).

But as far as comparing the two i7's you ask of. Really it is all relative, meaning does the first step up of i7, Core2, Core, PM, P4 and so on justify the cost. Well no but yes. You don't need faster than the 1.6Ghz but I would pay $200 if I could afford.

Also think of this new i7's like a 2.8Ghz or 3.06Ghz Dual core (C2). I bet the 1.6Ghz i7 beats the 2.26Ghz C2 quad.

Back to the link it looks like the i7 clock for clock might be 46% increase. I need to read more about to confirm. But it is clearly inferred in the link. I think that is a bit much but do not doubt a substantial increase in clock for clock performance.

Good luck and post back any info you find.

Justin's do some CPU benches. wPrime comes to mind, do as 4, 8, 16 thread runs. HT has a bad rap for most gamer guys. It slows performance in desktops on many applications for what that is worth.
It gets that close due to turbo mode and SMT. The % increase is closer to like 15% ( or some like that ) per clock, which is good, but like I said, the combination of SMT and turbo are what make the i7-ms so good.

[amdolev]

Maybe this eluded me: Which of the 3 CPUs offered were tested to get the results shown in the images?

[Andyx]

Will the I7 still use a lot of battery life at 1.6 ghz. I want like 2.5 avg battery life when used at 1.6 ghz. Don't need long battery life for the gaming cuz I'll be plugged in. Just need it for internet and m.s. word.

[fallenxlionheart]

the i7 in my 9280 sure can guzzle the battery life

[Gabrion]

I realize the clock speeds are higher on the 920 processor, but does the "XM" designation signify an important difference from the 720 and 820 - the "QMs"?

[NasGhost]

I realize the clock speeds are higher on the 920 processor, but does the "XM" designation signify an important difference from the 720 and 820 - the "QMs"?
XM = extreme, which likely means it has an unlocked multiplier which means easier overclocking.

[robamb2002]

my main concern on the GTX 280M; are they going to nerf it with downclocking or will it be running full speed... I know sager has some of the best cooling designs out there, but that has a pretty hefty TDP. I know Asus nerfed there 260 to get it in spec(to the disapointment of most). any info?

[NasGhost]

my main concern on the GTX 280M; are they going to nerf it with downclocking or will it be running full speed... I know sager has some of the best cooling designs out there, but that has a pretty hefty TDP. I know Asus nerfed there 260 to get it in spec(to the disapointment of most). any info?
Doubt thats gonna happen. The GTX 280m isnt too much more powerful than the GTX 260m, and the NP8662 has very good cooling. The new i7 CPUs ( sans the extreme version ) all have the same TDP as the previous mobile quads, AND there is no longer a northbridge to cool anymore either, which reduces the overall TDP by about 10W. In all, the GTX 280m will be the GTX 280m

[amdolev]

Just ordered mine with the i7-820 :D
After looking around for a month trying to find my favorite configuration, this model was love at first sight. I believe that new CPU is gonna be a killer. I was willing even to swollow the risk of non-global support.

This was all a bit over my budjet, but I think it's worth to spend some extra 200$ for a once in 3 years purchase.

I'll be very pissed off if the decide to introduce a next-gen GPU with dx11 in the next month :P

[NasGhost]

Just ordered mine with the i7-820 :D
After looking around for a month trying to find my favorite configuration, this model was love at first sight. I believe that new CPU is gonna be a killer. I was willing even to swollow the risk of non-global support.

This was all a bit over my budjet, but I think it's worth to spend some extra 200$ for a once in 3 years purchase.

I'll be very pissed off if the decide to introduce a next-gen GPU with dx11 in the next month :P
Not gonna happen; mobile GPUs are usually somewhere around 6 ( give or take 3 months, usually giving another 3 ) months off their desktop counter parts, and even then DX11 wont mature and become the dominant API for AT LEAST another year.

[pillsy]

The battery seems very small for the power demand of this computer, 11.1V Smart Li-Polymer battery pack 3800mAh, 42.18Wh. I think this will be the biggest complaint of this computer. This one is 3.8 AH, the NP8662 is 4.4 AH so this battery is even smaller than that one.
I have a question if Justin or anyone else can answer. The m15x downclocks the GPU when on battery power to about an 8400 does anyone know the GPU clocks for the 280 on battery?

[vrman]

Really? No options for a non-glare display?! I hate the glare screens. I will not buy another laptop that has one. That was one of the main reasons I bought the 5793. I sure hope that Sager makes the option available. I'm seeing less and less laptops with the matte screens.

[Andyx]

the battery's that weak? I though someone said to expect 2-3 hours(well internet/m.s. word use).

[prophetaxxi]

I kind of have my doubts this battery will last more than 1 1/2 to 2 hours...anyways mine will be plugged in most of D time...:eeek2:

[NasGhost]

Due to whats in it, you will likely get around 2 hours ( usage ) out of the box, and then maybe 2.5-3 hours after some tweaking.

[pillsy]

I am on the road sitting in airplanes for long flights. I want to see a laptop that can hang on just with the battery. I think this GPU downclocks while on battery. I wish all the stats would include The FPS on battery. I mean this is a laptop it is used on battery right? I would pay a mint to have this kind of performance on battery. Otherwise its just a desktop with a smaller screen.

[powerpack]

Don't planes provide outlets? Also I don't know about this notebook but on others you can set so does not down clock.

[notsure770]

I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I was looking for advice concerning a laptop cooler for the NP8690. I am leaning towards the Zalman 1000, but any advice would be greatly appreciated.

I know this is an old topic and there are tons of post on coolers, but I'm not sure I have seen anything relative to the Np8690. Considering the lappy is in the pre-order stage, speculation is welcome.

Peace out...

:smile2:

[vanfanel]

Due to whats in it, you will likely get around 2 hours ( usage ) out of the box, and then maybe 2.5-3 hours after some tweaking.

Looks like it'll be even worse than that. The following early review of the w860cu (with a 260GTX) shows a battery life under an hour. Even under power saving mode it couldn't reach 1:30 With our 280 chips it'll be worse than that.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.notebookjournal.de/tests/notebook-review-mysn-xmg6--clevo-w860cu--1008/6

[GIG.AD]

I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I was looking for advice concerning a laptop cooler for the NP8690. I am leaning towards the Zalman 1000, but any advice would be greatly appreciated.

I know this is an old topic and there are tons of post on coolers, but I'm not sure I have seen anything relative to the Np8690. Considering the lappy is in the pre-order stage, speculation is welcome.

Peace out...

:smile2:

I think the Zalman 2000 would be a better fit.
The 1000 I think would be a little to small for this laptop.

[pillsy]

Looks like it'll be even worse than that. The following early review of the w860cu (with a 260GTX) shows a battery life under an hour. Even under power saving mode it couldn't reach 1:30 With our 280 chips it'll be worse than that.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.notebookjournal.de/tests/notebook-review-mysn-xmg6--clevo-w860cu--1008/6


Nice Link. It is a sick laptop, just as long as you dont lose the charger. I was also told that the i7 downclocks to the lowest value while on battery. has anyone else heard that?