ASUS G51J-A1 Benchmarks and Review

[Justin@XoticPC]

Here are some starting benchmarks of the G51J-A1 featuring
i7 720
4GB DDR3
Dual 320GB 7200RPM
Windows 7
15.6" FHD 1920x1080

We will be continually updating the review with videos and more benchmarks!

YouTube Video Overview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxUydFthdTs

186.81 Driver with HW Monitor Attached. It cut off the score of 10,007.

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/G51/12803d2.jpg

Stock Driver right out of the box 3D Mark 06

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/G51/3dmarkstockdriver.jpg

3D Mark06 with the latest nVIDIA Driver 186.81

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/G51/3dmarksdriver.jpg


3D Mark Vantage with 186.81 nVIDIA Driver

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/G51/vantage.jpg

http://www.xoticpc.com/reviews/G51/gpuz.jpg

[confuzshuz]

any reason why these numbers are lower than the G51vx-a1, aside from the cpu score?

[amdolev]

perhaps the heat problem is even worse now with the new CPU they had to downclock the GPU even further...(?)

[Justin@XoticPC]

Take a look at the resolution we ran it at. We started running it at 1920x1080. (G51VX was run at 1280x1024) We wanted to put it through the max settings first. We will be posting a benchmark at 1280x1024 with temps in a few minutes. :)

[BrandonSi]

Wooo!! :D

Thanks Justin! Could you run the Crysis benchmarks when you have the chance?!

[Justin@XoticPC]

I am limited on what I can run tonight but I will definitely run them. :)

[confuzshuz]

Take a look at the resolution we ran it at. We started running it at 1920x1080. (G51VX was run at 1280x1024) We wanted to put it through the max settings first. We will be posting a benchmark at 1280x1024 with temps in a few minutes. :)

Oh, I gotcha.
can you verify if the gpu clocks are the same as the g51vx-a1?

can you also mention if asus allows over clocking using power4gear?

Thanks

[Justin@XoticPC]

Power4Gear Hybrid does allow for OC. I am doing a run at 1280x1024 with it OC's through Power4Gear. Will be posting shortly. :)

I will post a GPUz also.

[Justin@XoticPC]

Ok ran the "Extreme Turbo Mode" in Power 4 Gear and it actually dropped the score in 3D Mark 06. Updated GPUz clocks. Joseph or Justin W will should be on the forums (or chat) in the event you have more questions. Working on some other things and will be updating this thread today and tomorrow.

[Joseph@XoticPC]

I am on chats all night tonight. feel free to open a live chat or email me at joseph@xoticpc.com.

[confuzshuz]

I am on chats all night tonight. feel free to open a live chat or email me at joseph@xoticpc.com.

Can we get a sneak peek of the the computer including the lid?

I know that justin posted the gpu-z, but computer is a foreign language to me. I wanted to know if the clocks on the gpu are identical to g51vx-a1.

[Joseph@XoticPC]

I believe that both of the GPU's have been clocked to 500mhz to reduce the heat. If i am not wrong the normal clock for this model is 550mhz stock.

[BrandonSi]

From this thread it appears as if the clocks on the GPU are identical (500/799).

http://www.xoticpcforums.com/showthread.php?t=4641

[confuzshuz]

does this come with any game downloads (lilke batman arkham)?

[Justin@XoticPC]

Yes it is included while supplies last. :)

[powerpack]

Run wPrime for the CPU. Run with 4/8/16 threads with HTT on and off please.

[thatdaveguy]

Is it just me or did the RAM on the order page say 4gb 1333mhz DDR3 yesterday.. now this morning its 4gb 1066mhz DDR3 and a paid upgrade to 1333?

[confuzshuz]

Is it just me or did the RAM on the order page say 4gb 1333mhz DDR3 yesterday.. now this morning its 4gb 1066mhz DDR3 and a paid upgrade to 1333?

it's just you.

[powerpack]

It is just you? I see it.

You paid for that upgrade? Are you for real. You got that kind of money? Walk on my street I would like some of your money. That is the single most expensive most useless upgrade offered. Get a SSD man, I still think that is worthless but hey it is better. When you mail your check slip a $100 in for Joe and JustinW as long as you are giving away.

[Blinky]

Hi guys :D

Seriously considering buying this notebook in the very near future, unless anyone can advise a better gaming laptop for around the same price?

Thanks

[confuzshuz]

Hi guys :D

Seriously considering buying this notebook in the very near future, unless anyone can advise a better gaming laptop for around the same price?

Thanks

Depends, are you planning any upgrades?

[Blinky]

Depends, are you planning any upgrades?

Well wasn't really planning upgrades, because the standard version for $1449 looks good and is bang on my budget.

If I was to upgrade though, I'd probably look at

IC Diamond Thermal Compound

4GB DDR3 1333MHz

They seem like worth while upgrades which don't cost an extortionate amount.

You may or may not be able to tell that my knowledge on hardware is extremely limited :cool:

[confuzshuz]

Well wasn't really planning upgrades, because the standard version for $1449 looks good and is bang on my budget.

If I was to upgrade though, I'd probably look at

IC Diamond Thermal Compound

4GB DDR3 1333MHz

They seem like worth while upgrades which don't cost an extortionate amount.

You may or may not be able to tell that my knowledge on hardware is extremely limited :cool:

you're on the right track. the 4gb 1333mhz worth while isn't really. IC diamond thermal compound is definitely a good idea.

the stock set up w/diamond compound is an excellent choice. I don't think you can beat that deal for the money. the sager 8690 is also an excellent system, but you get more for you money with the g51j, in my opinion

[Blinky]

you're on the right track. the 4gb 1333mhz worth while isn't really. IC diamond thermal compound is definitely a good idea.

the stock set up w/diamond compound is an excellent choice. I don't think you can beat that deal for the money. the sager 8690 is also an excellent system, but you get more for you money with the g51j, in my opinion

Ah Brilliant. I Was a bit edgey on spending any more money than I have to so it will be a relief not to have to upgrade to 1333mhz.

I also had the Sager 8690 in mind, I just posted in that thread. Hoping that someone with experience with both can help me make a decision on which one to pick.

I'm definitely swaying towards the Asus :)

Thankyou!

[Andyx]

is the extra price added after pressing "add to cart" the full tax? I need to know the full price.

[confuzshuz]

Ah Brilliant. I Was a bit edgey on spending any more money than I have to so it will be a relief not to have to upgrade to 1333mhz.

I also had the Sager 8690 in mind, I just posted in that thread. Hoping that someone with experience with both can help me make a decision on which one to pick.

I'm definitely swaying towards the Asus :)

Thankyou!

you know what, I actually ordered the sager 8690 but cancelled when I found out about the g51j. but before I ordererd the 8690, I had ordered the asus g51vx-a1. I've done plenty of research. The biggest thing with Sager 8690, is that you get a superior cooling system a better gpu, but at a slightly higher cost. With the asus, it runs hotter than most notebooks and the gpu power is lowered to reduce heat. However, you do get the backlit keyboard, dual hard drives, and os included with the price. With that said, I still chose the Asus over the Sager. But if the Sager came with a backlit keyboard and dual hard drives, I'd probably choose that over the Asus in an instant.

[Blinky]

you know what, I actually ordered the sager 8690 but cancelled when I found out about the g51j. but before I ordererd the 8690, I had ordered the asus g51vx-a1. I've done plenty of research. The biggest thing with Sager 8690, is that you get a superior cooling system a better gpu, but at a slightly higher cost. With the asus, it runs hotter than most notebooks and the gpu power is lowered to reduce heat. However, you do get the backlit keyboard, dual hard drives, and os included with the price. With that said, I still chose the Asus over the Sager. But if the Sager came with a backlit keyboard and dual hard drives, I'd probably choose that over the Asus in an instant.

Good, this is the stuff I really wanted to hear :) If I get the IC Diamond Thermal Compound, then will it match the 8690? Also, I hear the CPU can be overclocked. I'm guessing this causes a lot of heat though and can't be done for long periods of time.

I was also going for the G51VX-A1 until I made an enquiry and they told me they're no longer selling them. Almost raged before I realised they had the G51J :D

[Andyx]

Some people say IC diamond drops 10 degrees Celsius, others say it drops 3. The sager 8690 has about 20-30 degree Celsius cooler temperature than the g51j. But, i still think g51j is better even though im scared of what the heat is gonna be like.

[Blinky]

Some people say IC diamond drops 10 degrees Celsius, others say it drops 3. The sager 8690 has about 20-30 degree Celsius cooler temperature than the g51j. But, i still think g51j is better even though im scared of what the heat is gonna be like.

Well I suppose if you keep it on a flat solid surface then there should be no problems. Hopefully :rolleyes:

By the way, for your earlier question I found this, hope it helps

Do I have to pay sales tax?
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[confuzshuz]

Good, this is the stuff I really wanted to hear :) If I get the IC Diamond Thermal Compound, then will it match the 8690? Also, I hear the CPU can be overclocked. I'm guessing this causes a lot of heat though and can't be done for long periods of time.

I was also going for the G51VX-A1 until I made an enquiry and they told me they're no longer selling them. Almost raged before I realised they had the G51J :D

Some people say IC diamond drops 10 degrees Celsius, others say it drops 3. The sager 8690 has about 20-30 degree Celsius cooler temperature than the g51j. But, i still think g51j is better even though im scared of what the heat is gonna be like.

I don't know about 10 degrees, 2-3 sounds about right. The 8690 definitely runs much cooler than asus. The two don't even compare when it comes to cooling systems. With the g51j, you get a bit more feature for the money. The g51j temps should be very similar to the g51vx. there are definitely ways to cool it down a bit such as copper heat sinks, undervolting, and case modifications.

[Andyx]

alright thanks for the help :notworthy
I bought a laptop cooler, better temperatures and I could use it on my lap.

[BrandonSi]

I don't know about 10 degrees, 2-3 sounds about right. The 8690 definitely runs much cooler than asus. The two don't even compare when it comes to cooling systems. With the g51j, you get a bit more feature for the money. The g51j temps should be very similar to the g51vx. there are definitely ways to cool it down a bit such as copper heat sinks, undervolting, and case modifications.

This is my main concern, and I'm still a few months out from buying so we'll see how the reviews and the price end up. Right now I'm just of the opinion the Sager might be the route to go. It's $250-$300 more depending on config, but if the Asus runs that hot for long periods of time (gaming) I'm worried about longevity. I think I'd rather spend the extra money now for the better cooling, than get 12-18 months into it and start to see problems with the Asus due to those heat levels. If the GPU or other parts start to fail, I think I'll have kicked myself for not spending the little bit extra upfront to stay with the much better cooling (and not to mention better GPU).

It's tough, I would like to have the double hard drives and the OS included. :cool:

[Blinky]

This is my main concern, and I'm still a few months out from buying so we'll see how the reviews and the price end up. Right now I'm just of the opinion the Sager might be the route to go. It's $250-$300 more depending on config, but if the Asus runs that hot for long periods of time (gaming) I'm worried about longevity. I think I'd rather spend the extra money now for the better cooling, than get 12-18 months into it and start to see problems with the Asus due to those heat levels. If the GPU or other parts start to fail, I think I'll have kicked myself for not spending the little bit extra upfront to stay with the much better cooling (and not to mention better GPU).

It's tough, I would like to have the double hard drives and the OS included. :cool:

Now you have me worried lol.

The laptop I'm on right now is on its last legs due to over heating. Can't do anything on it. It starts to over heat from the simplest of tasks now.

Perhaps someone from Xotic can put our minds to rest?

[BrandonSi]

Now you have me worried lol.

The laptop I'm on right now is on its last legs due to over heating. Can't do anything on it. It starts to over heat from the simplest of tasks now.

Perhaps someone from Xotic can put our minds to rest?

Hopefully they can for both our sakes! I know the desktop version of the GPU is rated to 105C, and since it's a mobile version one would think that would mean a slightly higher max temp rating. Unfortunately I'm not an electrical engineer, and I can't say for certain running a chip at 95C for 2 years is worse for the chip than running it at 70 deg C.. It seems like common sense, but I have nothing to support that.

It obviously does effect the degree to with you can overclock the GPU which isn't a concern right now per se, but trying to play games 2 years from now it might be when I'm trying to squeeze out every bit of performance I can to play those demanding "future" games.

[Blinky]

If the solution could be as simple as something like a laptop cooler

For instance:

http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/5442978/Cooler-Master-NotePal-Infinite-Laptop-Cooler/Product.html#

Then I'd be more than happy to purchase this notebook right ASAP.

[confuzshuz]

if you don't mind spending just a bit more for the np8690, then you should consider the np8760. same as the np8690, but with a 17 inch monitor and dual hard drives.

I think you'd get more than 18 months out of the ASUS laptop. asus provides a 2 year warranty. if you use your amex card, your warranty becomes 3 years.

[BrandonSi]

if you don't mind spending just a bit more for the np8690, then you should consider the np8760. same as the np8690, but with a 17 inch monitor and dual hard drives.

I think you'd get more than 18 months out of the ASUS laptop. asus provides a 2 year warranty. if you use your amex card, your warranty becomes 3 years.

Oh trust me, in a world where money wasn't an issue, I'd already have the W870CU.. Unfortunately the NP8690 it just about at my $$ limit.

Good point about the warranty and Amex, I forgot about that as I've never used a warranty on a PC in my life. Definitely something to think about.

[Andyx]

I've been looking at laptops since the beginning asus g51vx, the previous model with similar cooling problem. I think it'll last for 3-4 years, about when u should get a new laptop anyway because laptops usually go out of date by then anyways. Also, I dont need to upgrade so asus g51j is better for me.

[drysdan]

We will be posting a benchmark at 1280x1024 with temps in a few minutes. :)


So... about those 1280x1024 benchmarks?

I'd love to see how it compares at that resolution.

Overall, looks like a great machine, though.

[ChinNoobonic]

So... about those 1280x1024 benchmarks?

I'd love to see how it compares at that resolution.

Overall, looks like a great machine, though.

it's already there. it's the 1st pic.

[thatdaveguy]

He did forget the HD Tune results though :P

Says in the first post that they are there... they aren't! I think he meant to say HWMon.

[drysdan]

it's already there. it's the 1st pic.

Oh yeah, huh. Guess I missed that one. I just saw the ones below. Whoops.

[drysdan]

It seems there's a lot of comparison between this and the Sager 8690 (naturally).

I'm interested to know why this one was tested with the 720QM processor, and the Sager was tested with the 920XM, though. It makes it a little harder to compare the benchmarks, doesn't it?


For reference, they both come stock with the 720QM, right? But the 820QM and 920XM are available as upgrades on both also. Though, it should be noted that the CPU upgrades on the G51j are quite a bit more expensive.

[powerpack]

Good question. What do you want to know benchmark wise? The NP8690 is overall a superior system.

[kingtz]

Is it still a bit early to know if Sager will have any comparable laptops to this Asus one, in terms of hardware and price?

My absolute MAX is around $1400, which is what this G51J costs, with everything included. It looks really good on paper, but, like others before me, I am very concerned about the heat issue. If it's this high now, just imagine it a year and a half from now when you got dust and whatnot clogging up your case and fans.

If Sager has a comparable system for around $1400 (other than the 8662, since I'm thinking I might as well go with an i7 now), I'd probably get it instead for the better cooling. The 8690 after a couple of minor upgrades and the OS is simply way out of my budget.

[drysdan]

The NP8690 is overall a superior system.


It is, but it seems that the primary, if not only, source of that superiority is the better graphics card. If that's the case, it seems more useful to compare otherwise identical/as similar as possible systems, to know just how much difference that makes.

In the 3dmark tests it would help somewhat (they do rate the CPU score independently), but when it comes to comparing fps benchmarks (Crysis, DMC, etc), that's where it would be really useful to compare systems that are as close as possible. Limit the variables and all that stuff.

For people who want to know "Is the 8690 worth the extra couple hundred bucks?" that comparison would be the most useful.

In comparing the 920XM-equipped Sager with a G51j that's only got the 720QM, it seems it would unfairly skew the scores in favor of the Sager, instead of accurately representing that the superiority is solely given by the Sager's GTX280M GPU, and then measuring just how superior it is, given no other variables.


I'm just saying, if we're going to benchmark comparable systems, let's make sure they're as comparable as possible, otherwise the numbers don't mean as much.

[Justin@XoticPC]

FYI the first post was updated with a YouTube Video Overview.

[doulikefishsticks?]

Hi guys :D

Seriously considering buying this notebook in the very near future, unless anyone can advise a better gaming laptop for around the same price?

Thanks


Look no further... Search up the sager np8690
you can thank me later:smile2:

[Gizmo]

is it possible to contorl or at least turn off the case lights on this one?

[Justin@XoticPC]

As far as I know there is no way to control the lights at this time. Battery power turns off the outside lights but when plugged in the 2 outside lights turn on.

[confuzshuz]

It is, but it seems that the primary, if not only, source of that superiority is the better graphics card. If that's the case, it seems more useful to compare otherwise identical/as similar as possible systems, to know just how much difference that makes.

In the 3dmark tests it would help somewhat (they do rate the CPU score independently), but when it comes to comparing fps benchmarks (Crysis, DMC, etc), that's where it would be really useful to compare systems that are as close as possible. Limit the variables and all that stuff.

For people who want to know "Is the 8690 worth the extra couple hundred bucks?" that comparison would be the most useful.

In comparing the 920XM-equipped Sager with a G51j that's only got the 720QM, it seems it would unfairly skew the scores in favor of the Sager, instead of accurately representing that the superiority is solely given by the Sager's GTX280M GPU, and then measuring just how superior it is, given no other variables.


I'm just saying, if we're going to benchmark comparable systems, let's make sure they're as comparable as possible, otherwise the numbers don't mean as much.

The cooling system is really the key to the 8690. You can't really compare the two based on benchmarks alone, because the gpus are different. obviously if it was based on stock processors, it would be very different. I think the best way to go about the two computers would to compare them based on value. Either way, both basic setups are great options within a close pricepoint.

[kohck]

If i buy the IC Diamond Thermal Compound or the Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound, does it meant that the compund is already on the CPU/GPU? Or do i have to apply it myself manually?

[confuzshuz]

If i buy the IC Diamond Thermal Compound or the Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound, does it meant that the compund is already on the CPU/GPU? Or do i have to apply it myself manually?

it means it's already on the cpu/gpu

[mAvis]

Hi guys,

can you list the weight of both the G51J and NP8690 when they are fully speced (with full hard drives, standard bateries etc), as i see some contradicting informstion in the internet (probably 'cause they sometimes measure without battery or only a single hdd in the g51j case). Also can you list the weight of the power brick for both these models.
As an addition, do you have an estimation when the GT640 should be in stock with you guys?
I am aming towards maximum portability with as much power as possible thus the 15' and such interest in weight.

[Blinky]

Look no further... Search up the sager np8690
you can thank me later:smile2:

Hi mate.

Been looking at that, and I would probably apart from it has less ram and doesn't come with OS

[rixhobbies]

I just pulled the trigger on a pre-order! I had a couple questions, though.

It comes with two drives, but it doesn't mention anything about RAID. Are these drives configured in RAID 0 or are they just two seperate drives? (giving two drive letters)

I also opted for the diamond heat transfer medium. I assume that even though they would obviously need to disturb that "warranty void if removed" sticker on the CPU (I got it for the CPU and the GPU), Asus wouldn't void my warranty should I ever need to send it in to them. Anyone know about this?

[powerpack]

Not in RAID. No having TC applied at time of purchase or buy authorized technician will not void warranty.

[rixhobbies]

Not in RAID. No having TC applied at time of purchase or buy authorized technician will not void warranty.

Ah, ok, thanks. So it doesn't actually have a RAID controller at all, then. Just two SATA ports/bays?

[powerpack]

Correct. Why Asus likes to throw in two HDD's in several of their models but never RAID is beyond me. At least for me in a mobile I would rather have one if not RAID. Save size and weight. Extra fan and or larger heatsink would be a better idea in these.

[GIG.AD]

Correct. Why Asus likes to throw in two HDD's in several of their models but never RAID is beyond me. At least for me in a mobile I would rather have one if not RAID. Save size and weight. Extra fan and or larger heatsink would be a better idea in these.

What's the point of having 2 HDD if you can't RAID them:confused:
Personally I would rather have a SSD even if they are still expensive.
I totally agree with you give me those extras (extra fan,larger heatsink) and then we have something.
Still the SAGER NP8690 even if is a little more expensive is well worth it.
Not saying the ASUS is bad because it's not but If it lost the blinking side lights and came with 1 HDD to save money I would not shed a tear.

[Moss-man]

Hey

I'm really interested in the G51J-A1 but I find the appearance to be unappealing. Can someone recommend a comparable model with a more "discrete" look? Or is there a way to obtain the same model in a different style?

I want gaming capability but don't want to announce I'm a gamer when I use my laptop during meetings at work.

[Moss-man]

Hey

I'm really interested in the G51J-A1 but I find the appearance to be unappealing. Can someone recommend a comparable model with a more "discrete" look? Or is there a way to obtain the same model in a different style?

I want gaming capability but don't want to announce I'm a gamer when I use my laptop during meetings at work.

Sorry if this is a silly question.

[confuzshuz]

Hey

I'm really interested in the G51J-A1 but I find the appearance to be unappealing. Can someone recommend a comparable model with a more "discrete" look? Or is there a way to obtain the same model in a different style?

I want gaming capability but don't want to announce I'm a gamer when I use my laptop during meetings at work.

sager np8690

[Moss-man]

sager np8690

Thanks for the suggestion, but the NP8690 only comes with one HDD and does not have an illuminated keyboard... and is more expensive.

[powerpack]

Hey

I'm really interested in the G51J-A1 but I find the appearance to be unappealing. Can someone recommend a comparable model with a more "discrete" look? Or is there a way to obtain the same model in a different style?

I want gaming capability but don't want to announce I'm a gamer when I use my laptop during meetings at work.

Sorry if this is a silly question.AlienWare?:D:)

Just kidding as said NP8690!;)

[powerpack]

I just saw your response to the NP8690. I have to say the answer is no. Sorry.

[confuzshuz]

Thanks for the suggestion, but the NP8690 only comes with one HDD and does not have an illuminated keyboard... and is more expensive.

I know, but you also get a better cooling system and a gtx280m.
although the g51j has 2 hds, raid set up not available. so there isn't really a large reason for the dual hard drives.

[Tuna]

Thanks for the suggestion, but the NP8690 only comes with one HDD and does not have an illuminated keyboard... and is more expensive.


I guess I don't understand the allure of an illuminated keyboard. My keyboard is illuminated by the display...heh.

For the same reasons, however (discretion), I think I'm going to be getting the NP8690 for myself. I figure between the better video card and cooling system, it's worth the little bit extra for a system that should potentially last longer before needing to be replaced, whether due to being made obsolete or failing. Because of the cooling, I should be able to overclock the 280m down the road for a bit more performance.

[amdolev]

8690 is more expensive just because it's better :) it's also upgradable to an extent which could be comforting when the nect technology comes rolling in.

GIG is right about not having raid being a waste. If you want raid, get a sager 9XXX. If you want capacity, get the 640GB HDD. You could also get just a 320 and an external one to keep music/movies/pr0n or any other stuff that don't need quick access time.

[Ed W]

Hey

I'm really interested in the G51J-A1 but I find the appearance to be unappealing. Can someone recommend a comparable model with a more "discrete" look? Or is there a way to obtain the same model in a different style?

I want gaming capability but don't want to announce I'm a gamer when I use my laptop during meetings at work.

Sorry if this is a silly question.

how about applying a plain black skin?

[Justin@XoticPC]

We have done flat black skins in the past if you wanted to apply that over the back lid.

[Moss-man]

Thanks for the great suggestions, everyone! They give me a few things to consider.

[jhmariscal]

New to the board\thread and it looks awesome. Loving this laptop, but a few questions;

1. Can a BD drive be upgraded later? Where can that be ordered from?

2. Expected batt life if not gaming?

3. If you look at this laptop at say, Amazon.com, it shows a max memory of 4GB, but this site show 8?? Typo?

4. Anyone know why the laptop is not even listed on Asus's website yet?

[pernicus]

8690 is more expensive just because it's better :) it's also upgradable to an extent which could be comforting when the nect technology comes rolling in.

GIG is right about not having raid being a waste. If you want raid, get a sager 9XXX. If you want capacity, get the 640GB HDD. You could also get just a 320 and an external one to keep music/movies/pr0n or any other stuff that don't need quick access time.
i don't know about you but i need instant access to my pron...thanks to wifi, anytime can be ME time :cool:

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3672/anonymity.jpg

[amdolev]

Seems like you can't wait 'till she takes off her clothes :)
What are your spouses' thoughts about your foreplay? :D


As someone noted on these forums: "Waiting is a virtue, eventhough is sux"

[bisklimpkit]

I'm looking at getting the G51J as well, but I don't game at all. I am a draftsman by trade and use AutoCAD Architecture 8-10 hours a day, 6 days a week. I also use my laptops for 4 years, and it just so happens that my 4 years is coming up right away. I really like the i7 processor, the 1GB video memory, backlit keyboard, and high resolution. The only thing is that if I can get something comparable for a better price I could be swayed. The biggest reason I'm leaning towards the i7 is that I'd like to be up on the technology if I won't be upgrading again for 4 years.

Does anyone have any suggestions of something different, or is my line of thinking along the right track?

Thanks!

[confuzshuz]

I'm looking at getting the G51J as well, but I don't game at all. I am a draftsman by trade and use AutoCAD Architecture 8-10 hours a day, 6 days a week. I also use my laptops for 4 years, and it just so happens that my 4 years is coming up right away. I really like the i7 processor, the 1GB video memory, backlit keyboard, and high resolution. The only thing is that if I can get something comparable for a better price I could be swayed. The biggest reason I'm leaning towards the i7 is that I'd like to be up on the technology if I won't be upgrading again for 4 years.

Does anyone have any suggestions of something different, or is my line of thinking along the right track?

Thanks!

you're on the right track. This computer should do what you need to do and should last you 4 years. The only other comparable laptop would be the Sager np8690. It's about $200 more. I think most people would agree that you get more for your money with the g51, but the Sager does come with a more powerful graphics card and a better cooling system.

[kingtz]

New to the board\thread and it looks awesome. Loving this laptop, but a few questions;

1. Can a BD drive be upgraded later? Where can that be ordered from?


I'm curious about this as well. Anyone know the answer to this? And if the answer is yes, would it be a matter of just switching out the drive like in the desktop, or send it back to xotic? Sager drives (particularly the 8662) can be switched out later, right?

[djdlux]

Maybe im missing something, but i just checked out Sagers' site.
To configure as-closely-as-possible the Sager to the Asus, i came out with a price of just under $2000. Like $1950.
i know that includes the 280M, but the screen res is lower, which to me seems more important than the difference of having only one HD.
Ive read reviews of the Asus and it seems the heat isnt a BIG issue.
I am concerned about the underclocking, however.
Reviews have shown somewhat modest performance gains over the previous g51's.
I'm THIS close to pulling the trigger on the Asus (as my wife balked when i showed her the configured price of the Sager =[ ), and having found it for $1400 before a few upgrades, it seems the price diff is substantial enough.
The Sager is def a better machine when similiarly configured, but it seems that the price point makes it difficult to compare them directly.
Any input is greatly appreciated!!
thanks

[amdolev]

@djdlux
Since Asus charge the deficit of a small african country to get an upgrade, I'd suggest you wait a bit. Asus usually do different versions of the same model, each with a different CPU. Like the G51vx had an A1, X2A and RX05 models.
I can't confirm this, but ask around. Maybe you'd feel more comfortable with a 1600$ Asus with the 820QM

@bisklimpkit
Some say that hot machines are short lived ones.
If you plan to keep the laptop 4 years (which is eternity in computer time), then I'd suggest you get the better built one: the Sager.
More then the built quality etc. Sager allows you to upgrade your machine! This way you can update the CPU (if the socket still fits) and maybe keep it a little longer.
If you can stretch your wallet, then I believe in the long run the Sager is the better buy.

[LockdownX]

I also plan on either buying asus a1 or the sager 8690, the problem is 200 extra is a bit of a stretch for me and i do plan on using this for atleast 4 years, 4-8 hours daily.

I'm also buying 2 extra parts on the asus-
IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
+
4,096MB (4GB) DDR3 1333MHz Dual Channel Memory(does this make a huge difference in gameplay in an mmo seige?)

As for the sager, i plan on adding in a
-4,096MB DDR3 1333MHz Dual Channel Memory (2 SODIMMS)

[bisklimpkit]

Well, I have officially ordered the G51J. I live in Canada and am getting it from a local computer store. Using today's exchange rate I'm paying $1615 USD and the specs are the same as the basic configuration here on XOTICPC. I know, I could have saved some $$ buying it here, but I'm not sure what brokerage/customs/duties would have been, and this way I can deal with my local store if I have any issues.

At any rate, I am PUMPED to have this thing arrive. They told me 1-2 weeks, so I'll let you guys know what my experience is like once I get it (not that it'll be much of an experience as I don't really game, but I'm willing to bet my AutoCAD Architecture program will run at light speed).

[gmini]

I have a question.
Just got this laptop.. Installed the battery and when I plugged the ac adapter the laptop started automatically with no pressing power button... is this supposed to be like that? Battery didn't seem to be discharged completely, when I logged in to Windows it showed me 60% charged.

Thank you.

[Andyx]

People got the asus in the mail already? Mines is still on order confirmation and i ordered on oct 21.

[Ed W]

People got the asus in the mail already? Mines is still on order confirmation and i ordered on oct 21.
It seems that they are shipping, but the numbers could be limited due to general newness and popularity...

[votum]

I dont understand completely why people keep saying the sager 8690 is a couple hundred more??? I configured the sager to MATCH the g51j, and it is over 1950. That is more than 500 dollars more than the g51j. To boot, the HDD is only 5400RPM since xotic dosent have a 7200 640gb. 500 bucks is not worth the better cooling and slightly better gfx. And from everything I have found, the ASUS is just as easily upgradeable.. The only warranty sticker is over the CPU, meaning you can upgrade everything else under warranty. The CPU will last through the warranty anyway, and tby then the 820 and 920 i7s will be really cheap and an easy upgrade. Not trying to be a butthead, but seriously they do not compare at the price point at all. Yeah, sager is probably a better build quality, but ASUS is probably damn near sager in terms of quality, and ASUS has excellent customer service as well. You can also do some very minor upgrades / mods to make the ASUS have better cooling, throw in new heatsinks (which wont void warranty from what I hear) add a vent into the case, and get the thermal compound from here. The G51 also has ONE panel to remove on the bottom to get full access, which means slightly easier upgrading...the sager has several. I know its not a huge deal but honestly the G51J seems to be the better deal by far. 500 bones is a lot when your looking at 1 fan and a marginally better GFX card... Just my opinion.

[Tuna]

I dont understand completely why people keep saying the sager 8690 is a couple hundred more??? I configured the sager to MATCH the g51j, and it is over 1950. That is more than 500 dollars more than the g51j. To boot, the HDD is only 5400RPM since xotic dosent have a 7200 640gb. 500 bucks is not worth the better cooling and slightly better gfx. And from everything I have found, the ASUS is just as easily upgradeable.. The only warranty sticker is over the CPU, meaning you can upgrade everything else under warranty. The CPU will last through the warranty anyway, and tby then the 820 and 920 i7s will be really cheap and an easy upgrade. Not trying to be a butthead, but seriously they do not compare at the price point at all. Yeah, sager is probably a better build quality, but ASUS is probably damn near sager in terms of quality, and ASUS has excellent customer service as well. You can also do some very minor upgrades / mods to make the ASUS have better cooling, throw in new heatsinks (which wont void warranty from what I hear) add a vent into the case, and get the thermal compound from here. The G51 also has ONE panel to remove on the bottom to get full access, which means slightly easier upgrading...the sager has several. I know its not a huge deal but honestly the G51J seems to be the better deal by far. 500 bones is a lot when your looking at 1 fan and a marginally better GFX card... Just my opinion.

Here's my rationale on it. Yes you're right that people keep understating the price difference. However, you really can't configure them to match because of the graphics card. As far as the card being only marginally better, I guess it depends on how you look at it. The 260m isn't as good as the 280m, clearly, but then the 260m is also underclocked from the factory to top it off, so I'd consider it more than a marginal difference, especially when, because of the better cooling, you should have no prolems overclocking the 280m to make the margin even larger. The benchmarks between the two show a 25% difference in 3dmark06 scores already at stock clocks. To be fair, the Sager had the i7 920 so that surely helped a bit, but other 280m equipped laptops are still pulling in the same ~12,500 score. My train of thought is that with the better hardware in the Sager and the better cooling, I can get a longer life out of the laptop before I need to upgrade to something else. With the Sager, actually, that may be extended even more if I can eventually upgrade the card and other components instead of buying a new laptop altogether. Only time will tell.

[powerpack]

votum good insights. I agree with your analysis short of the conclusion. That means all you say sounds correct. Just doesn't mean Sager not worth it. Depends on who and budget. I do not have opinion as to in the grand scheme which is better.

Tuna good flip side to votum. I couldn't help but get the calculator out. You talked 3DMark scores and CPU difference. Well the numbers I crunched are.

The Asus as benched default settings:
3DMark06: 10,007
SM 2.0: 4,402
SM 3.0: 4,076
CPU: 3,042 (720)

If 920 in the Asus? I got CPU score from NP8690 review. So the same SM 2.0 and 3.0 but change CPU.

CPU: 3,925

Gives 3DMark06 score of 10,472.

What if we put the NP8790 w/920 and 280m 3DMark06 score 12,500 to the test w/720?

12,500 becomes 11,843.

Those are the numbers what they mean are up for opinion.

[votum]

Here's my rationale on it. Yes you're right that people keep understating the price difference. However, you really can't configure them to match because of the graphics card. As far as the card being only marginally better, I guess it depends on how you look at it. The 260m isn't as good as the 280m, clearly, but then the 260m is also underclocked from the factory to top it off, so I'd consider it more than a marginal difference, especially when, because of the better cooling, you should have no prolems overclocking the 280m to make the margin even larger. The benchmarks between the two show a 25% difference in 3dmark06 scores already at stock clocks. To be fair, the Sager had the i7 920 so that surely helped a bit, but other 280m equipped laptops are still pulling in the same ~12,500 score. My train of thought is that with the better hardware in the Sager and the better cooling, I can get a longer life out of the laptop before I need to upgrade to something else. With the Sager, actually, that may be extended even more if I can eventually upgrade the card and other components instead of buying a new laptop altogether. Only time will tell.

The G51J is just as easily upgradeable though, the only warranty sticker is on the CPU, which will last through the warranty easily.

I am not disagreeing, the sager is most definately the better machine, but I was just irritated at people saying, get the sager for 200 more, when its really 500 more =x Now if sager brought the same specs to the game for 200 more, I would have ordered it instead of the G51J, but at 500 bones I can't justify it, and I don't have a wife standing over my shoulder saying no lol. If price was not an issue I'd still buy the ASUS though because I like the keyboard and palmrest, but yes, 8690 is the superior machine, but you pay quite a bit for it imo.

That being said, I am a bit of an ASUS fanboy, because I've always been a bang for the buck kind of guy, and ASUS continually pumps out products that both perform well and are lower priced than the competition (except the lambourghini laptop, 3000 for a q9000, wtf???) So far the only people I see competing with ASUS are HP, and they have 230ms in all their i7 lineup.

Back to the G51, Over at newegg the reviews are all saying it does not get terribly warm. Also, if anyone does not want to wait for theirs to be shipped, Buydig.com has them for 1409.99, and 24 hour shipping only costs 25 dollars, mine will be here monday :P

[Tuna]

The G51J is just as easily upgradeable though, the only warranty sticker is on the CPU, which will last through the warranty easily.

I am not disagreeing, the sager is most definately the better machine, but I was just irritated at people saying, get the sager for 200 more, when its really 500 more =x Now if sager brought the same specs to the game for 200 more, I would have ordered it instead of the G51J, but at 500 bones I can't justify it, and I don't have a wife standing over my shoulder saying no lol. If price was not an issue I'd still buy the ASUS though because I like the keyboard and palmrest, but yes, 8690 is the superior machine, but you pay quite a bit for it imo.

That being said, I am a bit of an ASUS fanboy, because I've always been a bang for the buck kind of guy, and ASUS continually pumps out products that both perform well and are lower priced than the competition (except the lambourghini laptop, 3000 for a q9000, wtf???) So far the only people I see competing with ASUS are HP, and they have 230ms in all their i7 lineup.

Back to the G51, Over at newegg the reviews are all saying it does not get terribly warm. Also, if anyone does not want to wait for theirs to be shipped, Buydig.com has them for 1409.99, and 24 hour shipping only costs 25 dollars, mine will be here monday :P

I don't think you'll be able to upgrade the GPU in the Asus.

I hear you about being a bang for the buck kind of guy. My current system is a Dell XPS M1530 that I got from the Dell Outlet as a refurbished unit in March of last year. My rationale this time around is that if I spend a little more money now, I think I'll be happier down the road when the laptop is 18+ months old. The M1530 gets rather hot during heavier gaming also so I'm trying to avoid that happening again. I pretty much won't game without this laptop being on my NZXT notebook cooler (which is awesome, btw).

I must admit also that looks played at least a small part in my decision as well. I generally don't like things flashy and don't care much for backlit keyboards or lighting on the back of the display cover so the Sager's unassuming looks are more my style. I did seriously consider the G51J, for the record, and eventually determined it's just not the laptop for me. I still haven't ordered the 8690 either, though.

[pillsy]

I configured both machines to the same specs. Some were included on one machine and not on the other. So if one had it I upgraded the other to the same. In the end the were very close to the same. Other than the HD on the asus, in this case I chose the 500g HD in the sager. Here is the list of changes I made to equal the two out.

1920*1080 Sager
i7-820 QM both
4gig 1333 Asus
BlueRay Both
500g HD Sager
Win 7 home Sager

Everything else is what comes with the deal depending on which one you buy. With the options listed in the cart for each.

Sager= $2329.00
Asus=$2280.00
difference= $49.00

So from this it looks like the Asus starts out low and gets up there very quickly. The Sager starts out higher and in the end is almost the same. As you can see I had to do more upgrades on the Sager, but Sager upgrades are cheaper. You do get 2 HD's on the Asus, But a 280 card on the Sager. I would rather have the card than the hard drive. The Asus card is downclocked, and from what I have read the card is not user upgradeable. The 280 in the sager is upgradeable. everything else is equally upgradeable.

Now we need to run the numbers on these two side by side. I think we all know which Rig will win.

[confuzshuz]

obviously, the sager will win. It's got a better card.

[pillsy]

Yes, But the Asus has pretty lights...and $49.00 cheaper. hard call.:err:

[Gizmo]

just want to add that the i7-820 is a marginal increase at best (IMHHO not worth the cost), you really won't see too much real world increase of the 720, but if your into showing off numbers then...yeah.

Also don't forget the asus provides accident coverage for the first year...

[jkforce]

Which one do you think should be top 3 cooler for it?

I saw some people claim Zalman 2000 is very good for their sager laptops espeically 8662, but since I will be getting ASUS G51J-A1, I would like to get some advices/exp from anyone who uses G51J-A1 or who knows about cooler really well :D

Thanks in advance

[dtlam22088]

I actually own the G51J-A1, bought right here from xoticpc. I modded the cooling and added IC Diamond Thermal Compound to it. I do use the Zalman NC2000 on it and it works pretty good for me. My cpu/gpu run at ~53/68 degrees Celsius and ~60/86 after heavy gaming with Crysis on medium on 1080. Hope that helped your decision. I also considered the NZXT cooler but I settled with the Zalman because I wont always be around multiple outlets.

[Tuna]

I actually own the G51J-A1, bought right here from xoticpc. I modded the cooling and added IC Diamond Thermal Compound to it. I do use the Zalman NC2000 on it and it works pretty good for me. My cpu/gpu run at ~53/68 degrees Celsius and ~60/86 after heavy gaming with Crysis on medium on 1080. Hope that helped your decision. I also considered the NZXT cooler but I settled with the Zalman because I wont always be around multiple outlets.

I have the NZXT cooler and love it. You don't need an extra outlet, FYI. It runs via USB as well. I bought mine a year ago and it didn't even come with an adapter for a wall outlet, though it looks like it does now from the looks of it on newegg.

[Dragonx333]

how do you guys think the ASUS G51J-A1 compares to the G72Gx-RBBX09
(http://www.xoticpcforums.com/showthread.php?p=20975#post20975)

[n118nw]

This is my first post here on xoticpc's forums, and I would like to say thank you too all of you who contributed to this thread.

I'm a professional driver and pilot, and I'm frequently on the roads. In my spare time, I model aircraft for Flight Simulator using Gmax and 3DSMax, and I was looking at what computer would be best suited for me. I like to play FPS games like COD4 and enjoy racing games like DiRT and Live for Speed. I have no doubt that I won't have any problems with what I want to do with the G51J. This will be my 3rd Asus laptop, and I'm very satisfied with the build quality and reliability of the laptops.

Anyways, I wanted to say that having 2 hard drives for me is actualy ideal. With this, I can easily have two versions of Windows, Win7 and XP, and keep them seperated rather than having them on a partitioned drive. I use both Win7 and XP on a daily basis, as I game through Win7 but I design in XP.

I'll be ordering my new G51J after the Christmas holidays. I just wanted to say thanks to all for their knowledge and opinions and thanks to xoticpc for posting the benchmarks and video review.

[mescalito2]

I am thinking to replace the primary hard-drive for a 80GB SSD, I was wondering if does really worth it? I know the SSD access is way faster than a normal hard-drive but it cost $230 more. Is there a big difference between a normal HDD and a SSD??? DO I have to buy an SSD or I just keep the regular HDD???

Thank you for your time!!

[amdolev]

I wouldn't get an SSD yet. I work in a Datacenter and some servers hold SSDs and their defect rate is suprisingly high. Moreover, The access time rises dramatically as the drive gets full. Low capacities are an obvious problem.

On paper, SSD sounds almost too good to be true. I saw a demo in which loading time of Vista was cut in half on the same computer (1min. vs 30 sec). I'd get a regular HDD right now and upgrade... in about... 18-24 months when prices become reasonable, Capacities rise and defect rates drop.

[Fingersniffer]

I wouldn't get an SSD yet. I work in a Datacenter and some servers hold SSDs and their defect rate is suprisingly high. Moreover, The access time rises dramatically as the drive gets full. Low capacities are an obvious problem.


Defect rate is on par with any standard hard drive, and of course your going to see a higher defect rate in a datacenter where the HD's are used 100x more then the average home user or gamer.

Also, Intel and OCZ are the only SSD drives that are worth their money due to superior controllers which gives them the better stats than another brand.

As for the access times, this was an issue in very early SSD drives (most were cured through firmware updates to the drives)

I would suggest reading the reviews from Anandtech.com for a comprehensive look at SSD drives and a lot of tech info.

For the speed increases and boot times I would say the cost vs performance is a bit high but worth every penny to anyone that has used an SSD drive, you'll easily see a massive difference in performance.