Gaming laptop, Help plz ,alot of questions !!

[Brx]

I have a real problem hoping you guys could realy help me out with this...Im about to buy myself a new laptop(my first :) ) and i cant decide at all betweentwo models Sager NP9262 and the Sager NP5796.My budget is around 2500 (don't mind going a over and surly would not mind going :D )
i will mostly play games on it even if i would spouse to be more for school but anyways.I want something that i will have to problem with that will
be able to run all he latest game on high settings almost flawlessly.I know the basics and every thing but DEFENETLY not an expert so im Hoping you
guys can help with my chose for my new laptop :) I also will be watching a lot of movie on it ,but if it can hardcore game i shouldn't have any problems
with playing some dvd.


Sager NP9262:

17" Wide Viewing Angles WSXGA+ LCD with Super Glossy Surface (1680 x 1050)
Intel® Core™ 2 Quad Processor Q6600 / 8MB L2 Cache, 2.40GHz, 1066MHz FSB
Single Nvidia GeForce 9800M GT Graphics with 512MB DDR3 Video Memory
Genuine MS Windows® VISTA ULTIMATE 32/64-Bit Edition
4GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz - 2 X 2048MB Requires 64-bit edition of Windows Vista
250GB 5400rpm SATA 150 Hard Drive

or

Sager NP5796:

17" Wide Viewing Angles WSXGA+ LCD with Super Glossy Surface (1680 x 1050)
45nm Intel® Core™ 2 Duo Processor T9400 / 6MB L2 Cache, 2.53GHz, 1066MHz FSB
Nvidia GeForce 9800M GT Graphics with 512MB DDR3 Video Memory
Genuine MS Windows® VISTA ULTIMATE 32/64-Bit Edition Recommended, The most complete edition of Windows Vista
4GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1066MHz - 2 X 2048MB Requires 64-bit edition of Windows Vista to optimize whole 4GB
250GB 5400rpm SATA 150 Hard Drive

Willing to look into upgrading cpu, etc if its worth it.


Here are the questions that are making my chose harder...

is the higher resolution really worth it ?

does the Intel® Robson Turbo Memory worth buying ? ive read quite a bit on this suggest but the things i found was dated to 2007 and were saying it want that useful but its quite a long time since that so maybe they since then they worked a lot on it / made it work better or some sort.

Is the new 9800 Gtx worth the wait and the extra buckssssssss ?

There also the Core™ 2 Duo /Quad core question that im trying to figure out.It doesn't cost much to go to the quad core in the NP9262 compare to the core 2 duo so i was wondering what is better?But why the gap is not that big i think its because the core 2 duo in the NP5796 are a new model of processor from intel (Centrino 2).Witch is better for gaming and such ?

And also i was wondering about the "NO pixel warranty" my biggest fear is that when i start it up there is going to be a dead pixel on my new screen that i pay a lot for those it happen a lot ?Is it worth getting ?.



And i forgot , i would like to be able to connect it to my tv(a normal tv , not a hd / flat screen ,etc lol don't know the name) is there a option that i need take ,like those tv tuner thing that i have no clue what it is rofl , like an adapter or something else.

Thx alot , o and btw im also open for suggestion of other company/model but note to much because its going to make my chose even harder :P

Hhaha there so much question i feel bad :P.But i really want to get my self educated because i want to make sure that im paying for what i what especially for my first laptop.

Lol, no more question now ... i hope :P .

[Mazeura]

The Intel Turbo Memory is not worth it. I've read several discussions on the thing and in a few of them they found that in certain cases it actually slowed the computer down. And when it sped the computer up, it was only by a marginal amount.

As for the GPU, I personally don't think that you should wait for the 9800mGTX. I have a 9262 with X6800 CPU and the 8800mGTX, and the 9800mGT is faster than the 8800mGTX and I've been able to play Crysis on Very High settings (slightly smaller resolution than my natural 1900X1200) and on High at full resolution without any major problems in game play.
Plus the GT uses 10 Watts less than the GTX. (65W vs 75W)

Also, this is the major decision that you need to make now:
Do you want to be able to take this laptop with you often?
Because the NP9262 weighs ~12lbs. Where as the NP5769 weighs ~8lbs

[The Bill]

Sager NP9262:

17" Wide Viewing Angles WSXGA+ LCD with Super Glossy Surface (1680 x 1050)
Intel® Core™ 2 Quad Processor Q6600 / 8MB L2 Cache, 2.40GHz, 1066MHz FSB
Single Nvidia GeForce 9800M GT Graphics with 512MB DDR3 Video Memory
Genuine MS Windows® VISTA ULTIMATE 32/64-Bit Edition
4GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz - 2 X 2048MB Requires 64-bit edition of Windows Vista
250GB 5400rpm SATA 150 Hard Drive

Lower the quad core, to the core duo (Technically at this day and age quad cores are slower when they run games, this will obviously change later on), this can save you alot of money. Enough to get SLi support for your 9800M GT. Just a thought, since you did say you wanted your computer to handle all the latest games, all the latest games have demands. Before I start blabbing on, I'd go for the NP9262, since it was made for higher quality gaming.

With 4GB of RAM, you don't need Turbo Memory, save your money. As for the 9800M GTX comparison to the 9800M GT, it was SAID to be 10%-20% faster, then I read this article (Though it might be something to do with the processor, It still shook me up) http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-9800M-GTX.9919.0.html // If your going hardcore into gaming (As I see with your specs), then yeah, I'd say the higher res is worth it.

As for the Dead Pixel Warranty, you probably wouldn't notice a dead pixel screen on any of the notebooks you picked, and although it is unlikely to happend it does happend. Thats all your descion, mate.

As for the TV Tuner, you'd probably be best to grab one, although if your okay with S-Video, the NP9262 has it built in. Heres some more information on TV Tuner Cards http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_tuner_card (Yeah... Wikipedia).

Bill

[Brx]

Well the upgrade from core 2 duo 8500 to the core 2 quad q6600 is only 25 bucks thats the thing.

so heres what i was thinking of for the Sager NP9262:

17" WSXGA+ "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright Glossy Screen (1680x1050)

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound

Standard Dead Pixel Policy

Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 3.16GHz w/ 6MB L2 Cache - 1333MHz FSB

SLI ENABLED DUAL (2) 512MB PCI-Express nVidia GeForce 9800M GT (1024MB Total) w/GDDR3 DX10 Video Cards (User Upgradeable) ( + 490 )

4,096MB DDR2 800 (2 SODIMMS) Dual Channel Memory (Requires Vista 64-Bit to recognize Full 4GB) ( + 60 )

Combo 8x8x6x4x Dual Layer DVD +/-R/RW 5x DVD-RAM 24x CD-R/RW Drive w/Softwares

250GB 5400RPM (Serial-ATA 150) ( + 30 )

HDD Raid Settings - OFF

Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader (MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo/SD/Mini-SD/MMC/RS)

Internal Bluetooth 2.0+ EDR

Built-in Intel® PRO/Wireless 4965 802.11 a/g/n

Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera

Built-In Multi Region TV Tuner w/ Remote (Standard Remote) ( + 90 )

Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi 7.1 Xtreme Audio Notebook Express Card ( + 119 )

Smart Li-ion Battery (12 Cell)

Windows Vista Ultimate 64-Bit Installed (64&32-Bit CD Included) w/ Drivers & Utilities CD's ( + 177 )

3 Year Labor* 1 Year Parts Warranty Lifetime <B>24/7 DOMESTIC Based</B> Toll Free Tech Support <BR>(Year2 & 3 Labor Warranty through Xotic PC)


If only i could get sli on the 9800gt for the np5796 i think i would probably go for it considering its lighter and every thing but that's wy im leaning towards the NP9262 a lot its because of the graphic cards.If i can get sli on the np5796 plz tell me ,i dont have alot of knowledge it that area and dint see it.The weight option dont think it will be a probleme that much but ill have to look into it.Will the difference from the ddr3 to the ddr2 on the ram will make that much difference ?But i dont know if its only me but its seems that i can have more for my buck on the NP9262 than the np5796.. just a tough.

Seriously guys... thanks alot.I have posted on a other forum before and i got like only 1 reply so i realy appriciate you helping me.

[The Bill]

Yeah, note that the NP9262, when the best of the equipment is put in it (Like what your doing) it becomes a desktop replacement. It is portable, but if you plan on going everywhere with this laptop, then remember it will be heavy, and you will have to plug it in. The 5796 is also lighter due to the fact it doesn't have two graphics cards (SLi). But like I said above at this day and age, quad cores are technically slower... It sounds weird, but it's true, so when you save money by going for the E8500, you also increase performance.

No problem at all, btw.

Bill

P.S. This is just my opinion (You can disregard this if you'd like) but if you intend to be carrying this to LAN parties and such, I'd throw in the Targus Backpack ;)

[lordvader]

Yeah, note that the NP9262, when the best of the equipment is put in it (Like what your doing) it becomes a desktop replacement. It is portable, but if you plan on going everywhere with this laptop, then remember it will be heavy, and you will have to plug it in. The 5796 is also lighter due to the fact it doesn't have two graphics cards (SLi). But like I said above at this day and age, quad cores are technically slower... It sounds weird, but it's true, so when you save money by going for the E8500, you also increase performance.

No problem at all, btw.

Bill

P.S. This is just my opinion (You can disregard this if you'd like) but if you intend to be carrying this to LAN parties and such, I'd throw in the Targus Backpack ;)



Ok I too am looking to get a laptop
but after reading what u said, im confused

looking in long term, wont the NP9262 be still beter
cos the CPU & GRAPHIC CARDS are upgradeble in that laptop
dont know if it can be done in the 5796 also

i am looking for gaming on my laptop too
but if im multitasking while surfin
like watching videos & surffin wouldnt that be beter in quad core or ......

thxs for taking the time to reply :)




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- 17" WUXGA "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright Glossy Screen (1920x1200)
- Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
- Standard Dead Pixel Policy
- ~Intel Core 2 QUAD Q9650 3.0GHz w/ 12MB L2 Cache - 1333MHz FSB
- SLI ENABLED DUAL (2) 1,024MB (2,048MB TOTAL) PCI-Express nVidia 9800M GTX w/GDDR3 Video Cards (User Upgradeable) ETA 9/10/08
- Matrox DualHead2Go External Monitor Video Controller
- ~ 8,192MB DDR2 667 (2 SODIMMS) Dual Channel Memory
(Requires Vista 64-Bit to reconginzed 4GB+)
(Up to 6.8GB due to Chipset Limitation)
- Entire Laptop Painted with Any Color, Logo or Graphic (Details of Painting made after order) (Will cause additional 2-4 week lead time on order)
- ~ 2X Blue-Ray Read/8X DVDRW Super Multi Combo Drive
- ~ 200GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)
- ~ 200GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)
- None Standard -
- Raid 0-Stripe (Combines primary and secondary hard drive)( (Requires 2-3 Identical Sized Hard Drives)
- None Standard
- None Standard
- Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader (MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo/SD/Mini-SD/MMC/RS)
- Internal Bluetooth 2.0+ EDR
- Built-in Intel® PRO/Wireless 5300 802.11 a/g/n Wi-Fi Link
- None Standard
- Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
- Built-In Multi Region TV Tuner w/ Remote (Standard Remote)
- Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi 7.1 Xtreme Audio Notebook Express Card
- Basic Black Business Case - Included
- Smart Li-ion Battery (12 Cell)
- None Standard
- None Standard
- None Standard
- Logitech VX Nano Black 6 Buttons Tilt Wheel USB 2.4 GHz Wireless Laser Mouse
- None Standard
- ~Windows Vista Ultimate 64-Bit Installed (64&32-Bit CD Included) w/ Drivers & Utilities CD's
- None Standard
- None Standard
- 3 Year Labor* 1 Year Parts Warranty Lifetime 24/7 DOMESTIC Based Toll Free Telephone Tech Support
(Labor Warranty through Xotic PC)

$ 6200





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SummaryBase System and DisplayEUROCOM D901C PHANTOM-X; 17-inch; Widescreen; WUXGA 1920-by-1200 pixels; UltraSharp with Glossy Surface; Black Chassis$2,726
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Biometric Security Device - Log on to your PC or Web sites with the touch of your fingerNone - Choose from the options below
VGA Technology2GB GDDR3; SLI 2 x 1GB GDDR3 Nvidia GeForce Go 9800M GTX; DX10; 16x PCIe$1,236
Upgradeable ProcessorIntel® Xeon® Processor X3370 Quad Core; 3GHz; 1333MHz; 12MB L2; LGA775; 45nm; 95W$541
Memory Configuration8GB; 2x 4GB; DDR2-800; 200pin; PC2-6400; CL6 - 2 SODIMMs$873
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300W Portable DC-to-AC Power Inverter; 2 AC Outlets; Belkin F5C400-300W $72


Which you think is better cpu xeon on regular ?
price not a problem want it faster & upgradeble :)

[Zatara214]

Ok I'll explain.

Quad core CPUs are slower PER DOLLAR than dual core. If you, say, compare a dual core at 3.0 GHz to a quad core at 2.4 GHz, then only applications built to use all 4 cores will be faster, and even then, you're pushing it, considering the speed output of a dual core at 3.0 Ghz. The only game that I know of that can use quad cores is Crysis, and that will run better on a faster dual core even still. But a quad core at 3.0 Ghz will be faster than a dual core at 3.0 (but still, only for applications that use it, and its extra L2 cache)

As for upgradability, even the NP8660 is upgradable, it just depends to what extent. Xotic can't predict the future, and so you have to take into account future thermal budgets and wattage. For instance, if you have the 9800 GTX in your laptop now, and the "GTX 280M" requires twice as much power and outputs three times as much heat (unlikely that much, but its a good example), then no, you can't upgrade to that. But if it is supported by your motherboard, has the same or VERY slightly higher power requirement, and outputs around the same level of heat (you can take more with a notebook cooler), then yes, you can upgrade to that.

Also, lol, GTX 280M...

[lordvader]

Ok I'll explain.

Quad core CPUs are slower PER DOLLAR than dual core. If you, say, compare a dual core at 3.0 GHz to a quad core at 2.4 GHz, then only applications built to use all 4 cores will be faster, and even then, you're pushing it, considering the speed output of a dual core at 3.0 Ghz. The only game that I know of that can use quad cores is Crysis, and that will run better on a faster dual core even still. But a quad core at 3.0 Ghz will be faster than a dual core at 3.0 (but still, only for applications that use it, and its extra L2 cache)

As for upgradability, even the NP8660 is upgradable, it just depends to what extent. Xotic can't predict the future, and so you have to take into account future thermal budgets and wattage. For instance, if you have the 9800 GTX in your laptop now, and the "GTX 280M" requires twice as much power and outputs three times as much heat (unlikely that much, but its a good example), then no, you can't upgrade to that. But if it is supported by your motherboard, has the same or VERY slightly higher power requirement, and outputs around the same level of heat (you can take more with a notebook cooler), then yes, you can upgrade to that.

Also, lol, GTX 280M...


thank you
ill go for the core 2 extream