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  • New Sager 9262 some questions about it..

    I just ordered the Sager 9262 with:

    - Warranty: 3 Year Labor* 1 Year Parts Warranty
    - Operating System: ~Windows Vista Ultimate 64-Bit
    - AC Adapter: 110/220V 120W Auto Switching AC
    - Battery: Smart Li-ion Battery (12 Cell)
    - Case: Basic Black Business Case - Included
    - Speaker Systems: Integrated System Speakers - Included
    - Sound Card: Sound Blaster
    - Camera: Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
    - Wireless Network: Built-in Intel® PRO/Wireless 496
    - Bluetooth: Internal Bluetooth 2.0+ EDR
    - Memory Card Reader: Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader (MS/
    - Raid: Raid 5-Stripe
    - Primary Hard Drive: ~ 80GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA 150)
    - Optical Drive: ~Combo 8x8x6x4x Dual Layer DVD +
    - Exterior Finish: Standard Finish
    - Ram: ~ 4,096MB DDR2 800Mhz (2 SODIMMS)
    - Video Card: 512MB PCI-Express nVidia GeForce 8800GTX
    - Processor: ~Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 2.66GHz
    - Dead Pixel Policy: Standard Dead Pixel Policy
    - Arctic Silver: Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
    - Display: 17" WSXGA+ "Matte" Super Clear

    The question i have is, I have another 250 GB 5400 RPM WD HDD in my old laptop, can I just throw that one in with the current 80 GB HDD I ordered with this one? Also, will RAID 5 Stripe enhance the performance of JUST ONE HDD in the laptop?

    A guy im showing my new setup to that i work with is wondering how the CPU is E6750...he says its a desktop numerary for a processor and hes right as far as I know the T series is all laptop CPU's...so is the E series something new for laptops?

    Just some questions, thanks in advance...

  • #2
    Hi Mosaic,

    Yes the 250GB will run alongside the 80GB or any other size you choose to put in.

    With regard to your RAID question - you need to understand what RAID is:

    Redundant
    Array
    of
    Inexpensive/Independent
    Discs

    Which basically means that you can use multiple hard drives (more than 1) to form what is called RAID arrays, which basically decide how the computer accesses the data from your hard drives:

    First and foremost - in order for a RAID array to function efficiently - all HDD's must be identical in both size and make/model (just like dual channel RAM in a PC - you wouldn't go running Dual channel with 1 stick of Kingston and 1 stick of Corsair - or then again, maybe some would, but I wouldn't!)

    RAID modes are defined by numbers i.e.

    RAID 0 is Stripe - which means that your data is split into small chunks and saved incrementally to each hard drive, this has the benefit of increased throughput (speed of access) - this requires 2 drives and will function as one complete volume - hence 2x80GB will read as 1x160GB to your operating system.

    RAID 1 is Mirror - in which all data saved to 1 HDD will be automatically written to the other - which increases data security, as should one HDD go down, the other takes over regardless until you replace the drive and rebuild the array.

    It should be noted that although RAID 0 increases speed - data security is thrown out of the window - as should 1 drive fail the data on the other drive will be illegible.

    RAID 5 uses a 3rd hard drive as a parity drive for data stored in 'Stripe' form on the first 2 hard drives - so you get the speed of RAID 0 with the added security of RAID 1 - as the 3rd hard drive can be used to rebuild the striped array.

    I hope that bit of information helps.

    Regard to your last question - the Sager 9262 / Clevo run's Desktop CPU's, which have a E, Q or QX designation i.e. E6600, Q6600 or QX9650

    Initially when I placed my order - this was the reason I purchased (still waiting for) my 9262 - because it runs Desktop CPU's which are notoriously cheaper to buy and easier to get hold of.

    One of the first thoughts that may come to your friends mind is - that a Desktop CPU in a Laptop will generate more heat, well ordinarily he would be right.........remember all the laptop's fitted with desktop Pentium 4's 3 years ago - most of them are either dead, or have been repaired once or twice already! (I know because I own such a beast - a Clevo D900T with a 3.4GHz Pentium 4 - and yes, it does run hot and yes it has broken once!)

    Ever since Intel developed the 'Conroe' series of CPU's - which you will know as 'Core2Duo' 'Core2Quad' etc etc. - intel have developed a far more efficient CPU hence it runs cooler - this backed by one of the finest cooling systems ever fitted to a laptop makes for a good cooling combination with maximum speed.

    The only downside about using a desktop CPU in a notebook, is increased power consumption (in comparison to notebook CPU's) which = poor battery life - but then again, buying a 9262 means you weren't bothered about battery life anyway! :-)

    All intel Mobile CPU's start with a T or an X - i.e. T7700 or X9000

    If you look at the competition that Clevo/Sager has with this notebook, you'll notice that although Dell and AW are running mobile CPU's their system's are almost as powerful hence their battery life isn't much better.

    All with the Sager/Clevo is good except one thing. and I hope you didn't buy the notebook because of the standardized upgrade connectors such as MXM, because if you do your research, you'll find that Sager/Clevo notebooks require a motherboard upgrade to run future hardware = more expensive to upgrade than the likes of Dell's XPS M1730.

    That and the fact that the Dell looks better is really the only thing's I've got against the 9262 (besides the lack of news from Sager/Xotic and delay after delay!)
    Sager NP9262 (on pre-order)

    The beginning:
    Core2Duo E6850
    4GB RAM
    2x 8800M GTX SLi
    1x 80GB HDD
    TV Tuner, SB X-Fi Xpress

    The Finished project:
    Core2Quad Q6600 (or better)
    2x 32/64GB SATA SSD's
    1x 250GB+ HDD in bay 3

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    • #3
      Just to let you know, its not just SAGER thats having problems with getting SLI support for their systems, right now the only laptops ive seen for sale with SLI enabled already is alienware and widowpc...of course dell falls under the alienware title because well, dell owns alienware..what im seeing is that companies are having to pay nvidia big dollars to get them to specifically engineer firmware/driver support for SLI configurations.

      i could be wrong, but its a legitimate guess considering only the top dollar most well known pc companies are sporting functional SLI on laptops.

      BTW, any idea what kind of framerates I would get on newer games with my above configuration ...I.E. mainly Unreal Tournament 3, which is the main reason I upgraded to such a high end machine. Not so much Crysis, but HL2, STALKER, GoW, UT3...etc...and do the 8800M GTX's support this new Direct X 10.1 which is scheduled to be released soon? I hear ATI's newest dual gpu card does.

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      • #4
        Since im going to be playing games like Crysis and UT3, do any of you current Sager owners think that I should ask Xoticpc to upgrade my system before they ship it? Is that something I should do?

        The reason I ask is because I've went through this time and time again.

        I buy a new system I think will play all current/most future games smoothly.

        It doesn't.

        I wish I would've spent a couple hundred dollars more for a faster CPU/HDD.

        Im getting mediocre framerates, and cursing myself for buying mid grade.

        Judging from my above specs, do you think the setup I have is good? Getting the dual 8800 GTX's is not something Im ready to do at this point, once the SLI has been released, I will pay the $600 price tag for the mail out SLI config with the second video card..until then, no dice. However, I do have a question about the AGEIA PhysX processors. Ive seen some laptop companies that sell them with their units. Is that a standalone piece of hardware I can just install the empty PCI-E slot? Thanks in advance for your time Take care

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mosaic
          Just to let you know, its not just SAGER thats having problems with getting SLI support for their systems, right now the only laptops ive seen for sale with SLI enabled already is alienware and widowpc...of course dell falls under the alienware title because well, dell owns alienware..what im seeing is that companies are having to pay nvidia big dollars to get them to specifically engineer firmware/driver support for SLI configurations.

          i could be wrong, but its a legitimate guess considering only the top dollar most well known pc companies are sporting functional SLI on laptops.

          BTW, any idea what kind of framerates I would get on newer games with my above configuration ...I.E. mainly Unreal Tournament 3, which is the main reason I upgraded to such a high end machine. Not so much Crysis, but HL2, STALKER, GoW, UT3...etc...and do the 8800M GTX's support this new Direct X 10.1 which is scheduled to be released soon? I hear ATI's newest dual gpu card does.
          Well, the 9262's main competitors are Dell and Alienware.........

          and no, Alienware have decided not to release the m17x (8800 SLi) just yet - so that only leaves one other competitor, who has, FOR DEFINITE - pipped Clevo/Sager to the post! - and that is Dell

          All other manufacturers are completely unimportant in the big picture - for instance:

          Toshiba calls any laptop with a Geforce 8600M top end, so what difference does that make to the big picture?

          On the other hand Dell do have the XPS M1730 - it is out - NOW! - and had had 8800 SLi support since it's inception.

          Not a bad thing really, from a company that doesn't specialise in universal technologies such as MXM
          Sager NP9262 (on pre-order)

          The beginning:
          Core2Duo E6850
          4GB RAM
          2x 8800M GTX SLi
          1x 80GB HDD
          TV Tuner, SB X-Fi Xpress

          The Finished project:
          Core2Quad Q6600 (or better)
          2x 32/64GB SATA SSD's
          1x 250GB+ HDD in bay 3

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          • #6
            BTW, I dont need any more input on upgrading, I already sent an email to the store owner of xoticpc to request to upgrade the machine i ordered on friday, hopefully they can still do it :shock:

            Anyways, Ive read some great reviews of this notebook at notebookreview.com, the link is posted i think on page 2 of these forums. These forums are great, a good place to pc/laptop gaming/computer enthusiasts to get together and talk tech.

            Hopefully this transaction between myself and xoticpc goes well, more than likely I will be recommending this to other people I know who are currently in the market for a new desktop/laptop...the experience thus far has been good, no more than an hour after i called customer service about a pay issue, a memo was posted to my account

            Anyways im in the military, and theres a whole bunch of guys who i game with, i told them about the deal i got on the sager and they were like, "dude, how the hell did they put a desktop cpu in a laptop and manage to get it running at an acceptable temperature. I referred them to the review @ notebook and the were shocked and awed.

            Hopefully the rest of the experience up until i get the notebook (which really isnt a good term for it because the sager is jesus-beast) is as good
            as the framerates i will be getting in unreal tournament 3 :P

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            • #7
              I own Sager 9262 with Q6600 and a single 8800GTX and i get like 40-60 FPS, mostly 50s FPS in the game.... so its lag free for all times. UT3 looks amazing, too bad its not in DX10 or it would've look even mroe amazing :twisted:
              Sager NP9262. Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz, 8MB L2Cache, 1066Mhz FSB. Nvidia 88800M GTX 512MB. 160 & 200GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 3) 4,096MB DDR2 800 . 1920 x 1200 Glossy Screen Resolution. Windows Vista Home Premium 64-B.

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              • #8
                I need to know, is there any kind of AGEIA PPU that is installable into the 9262?

                Also, I hear the Sager/Clevo doesnt use MXM, which is the new standard for upgrading procedures on laptops. Say, if a 9800M GTX comes out which they will, is this something that would be supported by Sager and would XoticPc install these for us if the cards were purchased from them?

                Just some questions, I know I shouldnt really be worried about a 9800MGTX when I have an 8800 on its way to me, im just curious about the future proofing of my laptop, and if Xoticpc is going to help me going about it

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                • #9
                  Was also wondering about the temperatures that the Sager 9262 work with. Is it a laptop that I absolutely need a cooling pad with? Or is the internal architecture sufficient enough for prolonged usage without external cooling sources?

                  All this important stuff, I want as long as a life out of this laptop as possible. Considering that this laptop has a desktop CPU and a BEAST 8800GTX, you would think that it would need it, however, some reviews I have read said it didnt.

                  With that being said, I like to hear it from the horses mouth, you owners out there, hows the chassis and the temperatures?

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